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If I got the jigsaw extruder when others at launch got the new one, I'd be politely asking for the free or at least heavily discounted upgrade.

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grob wrote:

Looks like the extruder design was released after the SD4 build began, they kept putting old extruders on the new machines for a while and you got an old one.

If they're sensible and this is just a revision to the assembly then it may mean they're interchangeable... Does anyone know if there's any difference in the stock carriage between the two, or is is entirely in the extruder?

It's not an easy change at the moment. Future revisions will not be interchangeable. We can make the extruder much easier to service if we give up the inter-op.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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So if I order a SD4 today, which extruder would I get?  If its not the metal one, I'll wait to order.

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solidoodlesupport wrote:

We can make the extruder much easier to service if we give up the inter-op.

Fair call - let's be pleased and put it down to Kaizen!

SD3. Mk2b + glass, heated enclosure, GT2 belts, direct drive y shaft, linear bearings, bowden-feed E3D v5 w/ 0.9° stepper
Smoothieboard via Octoprint on RPi

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qtoppa wrote:

So if I order a SD4 today, which extruder would I get?  If its not the metal one, I'll wait to order.

We have fully switched over. We typically do not announce these changes before they happen. If you are hearing about it, it is already the standard.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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Why wouldn't announce these changes before they happen? A heads up goes a long way towards customer satisfation

SD3, E3D hotend,linear bearing on x/y axis',pillow block bearing on y conneting rod, ball bearngs on front y axis, fan on y stepper motor.

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satman49 wrote:

Why wouldn't announce these changes before they happen? A heads up goes a long way towards customer satisfation

The main idea is that if you ever see one of these changes in the field, it is already on every new Solidoodle. Some people get very upset, and believe that we apply the changes to only select printers. We tend to make changes wholesale across the product.

We typically did not announce large changes to the machine, because we spent a lot of the last year or so catching up with big issues. Our PR folks didn't want to focus on technical issues, and we were always rushing to implement the latest fix before a problem became large.

Kyla, our new marketing professional (you might see her at official events) is trying harder to keep everyone abreast of *significant* technical changes. We eliminated hose clamps from the machines earlier this year, but I'm not sure that's worth a press release at the moment.

One thing we are working on rolling out is a more publicly visible version control system, so that you (and support) can see exactly which revision your machine is based on the serial number. 

I hope that clears things up.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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solidoodlesupport wrote:

One thing we are working on rolling out is a more publicly visible version control system, so that you (and support) can see exactly which revision your machine is based on the serial number.

Press release? No. How about a simple forum post in a stickier thread? I've been doing just that from day one for Filastruder, here:

http://www.soliforum.com/post/19602/#p19602

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I'm not sure if anyone's posted anything about Cura yet, but I just unboxed my Solidoodle today and plugged it right into Cura 14.1.  I was printing 5 minutes later.  It's the Ultimaker software, but since it's Marlin/Sprinter based, it's all over running this Solidoodle 4.  I need to do some tweeks on my configuration as the extruder appears to be feeding a little generously, but I'm pretty stoked that my hunch payed off and I'm cranking out a print already.

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solidoodlesupport wrote:
satman49 wrote:

Why wouldn't announce these changes before they happen? A heads up goes a long way towards customer satisfation

The main idea is that if you ever see one of these changes in the field, it is already on every new Solidoodle. Some people get very upset, and believe that we apply the changes to only select printers. We tend to make changes wholesale across the product.

We typically did not announce large changes to the machine, because we spent a lot of the last year or so catching up with big issues. Our PR folks didn't want to focus on technical issues, and we were always rushing to implement the latest fix before a problem became large.

Kyla, our new marketing professional (you might see her at official events) is trying harder to keep everyone abreast of *significant* technical changes. We eliminated hose clamps from the machines earlier this year, but I'm not sure that's worth a press release at the moment.

One thing we are working on rolling out is a more publicly visible version control system, so that you (and support) can see exactly which revision your machine is based on the serial number. 

I hope that clears things up.

We eliminated hose clamps from the machines earlier this year. What replaced them?

.

SD3, E3D hotend,linear bearing on x/y axis',pillow block bearing on y conneting rod, ball bearngs on front y axis, fan on y stepper motor.

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satman49 wrote:
solidoodlesupport wrote:
satman49 wrote:

Why wouldn't announce these changes before they happen? A heads up goes a long way towards customer satisfation

The main idea is that if you ever see one of these changes in the field, it is already on every new Solidoodle. Some people get very upset, and believe that we apply the changes to only select printers. We tend to make changes wholesale across the product.

We typically did not announce large changes to the machine, because we spent a lot of the last year or so catching up with big issues. Our PR folks didn't want to focus on technical issues, and we were always rushing to implement the latest fix before a problem became large.

Kyla, our new marketing professional (you might see her at official events) is trying harder to keep everyone abreast of *significant* technical changes. We eliminated hose clamps from the machines earlier this year, but I'm not sure that's worth a press release at the moment.

One thing we are working on rolling out is a more publicly visible version control system, so that you (and support) can see exactly which revision your machine is based on the serial number. 

I hope that clears things up.

We eliminated hose clamps from the machines earlier this year. What replaced them?

.

A shaft collar.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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That what I would have used at first if i was building a SD, hose clamps are just that"hose clamps"

SD3, E3D hotend,linear bearing on x/y axis',pillow block bearing on y conneting rod, ball bearngs on front y axis, fan on y stepper motor.

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Yeah, I've figured out that I have an SD4 with an SD3 extruder assembly on it.  I've contacted customer support to see how I can obtain the production SD4 parts.

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knowack wrote:

Yeah, I've figured out that I have an SD4 with an SD3 extruder assembly on it.  I've contacted customer support to see how I can obtain the production SD4 parts.

Results?

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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Why would a company employee need to ask a customer how a problem was handled? This is not a large company.
This is a pretty major component of the printer. I can live with all the loose screws I had when mine arrived but if mine had arrived with a problem plagued extruder when the replacement one was being used in some, I would have been sending the printer back if it was not replaced. I don't understand why you shipped any of those extruders on a new model when the new extruder was obviously available. This was also a marketing opportunity missed. "The new solidoodle 4 with the new and improved extruder" rather than sorry folks who waited months for your new printer! we had some old stock to burn up so you got stuck with the old ones. It also seems like a retrofit being made for the old extruder would both generate goodwill and a little cash flow. Then again, it would also be nice not to have people tell you how to run your business. I think most here do so with good intention and are trying to be helpfull.

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With new extruder, case, and all the other developements, I would buy one, but my SD2 runs great, so I have to wait till it dies..... I have a feeling that its going to be a while... smile

www.designerfred.fr      before: Solidoodle 2 + E3D v6 now: MeCreator II and OLO 3D

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gtennefoss wrote:

Why would a company employee need to ask a customer how a problem was handled? This is not a large company.
This is a pretty major component of the printer. I can live with all the loose screws I had when mine arrived but if mine had arrived with a problem plagued extruder when the replacement one was being used in some, I would have been sending the printer back if it was not replaced. I don't understand why you shipped any of those extruders on a new model when the new extruder was obviously available. This was also a marketing opportunity missed. "The new solidoodle 4 with the new and improved extruder" rather than sorry folks who waited months for your new printer! we had some old stock to burn up so you got stuck with the old ones. It also seems like a retrofit being made for the old extruder would both generate goodwill and a little cash flow. Then again, it would also be nice not to have people tell you how to run your business. I think most here do so with good intention and are trying to be helpfull.

If hypothetically, support had failed I would have offered to help.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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That is really wonderful to hear. It is good to hear that there is a customer advocate here. For what it's worth, I am very happy with my printer and I actually recommend solidoodle to my students.

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I'm also extremely happy with my SD4.  I find the biggest challenge is not with the printer itself, but with the varying quality of filament I buy.

I keep making tweaks to try and achieve better prints (especially perfect circles), but I would characterize my present results as 'Very Good'!  The output from my SD4 looks much better than the vast majority of what I see on the internet.

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I have more than one printer because sometimes I need to printer multiple parts in different colors quickly. Or I get a request for a batch items. I frequently design multi-part objects.

Solidoodle 1 thru 4

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Solijohn read the "dented circle" topic.... and is only one of my problems non yet solved.

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solijohn wrote:
knowack wrote:

Yeah, I've figured out that I have an SD4 with an SD3 extruder assembly on it.  I've contacted customer support to see how I can obtain the production SD4 parts.

Results?

...an email saying they'd look into it.

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knowack wrote:
solijohn wrote:
knowack wrote:

Yeah, I've figured out that I have an SD4 with an SD3 extruder assembly on it.  I've contacted customer support to see how I can obtain the production SD4 parts.

Results?

...an email saying they'd look into it.

Keep me informed, I'll stay on them.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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Re-reading through previous posts, I realized that my SD4 has hose clamps, not shaft collars.  I'm beginning to wonder if I have an SD4 case full of SD3 parts.  Perhaps it's a new product line:  SD3.5, aka "FrankenDoodle".

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knowack wrote:

Re-reading through previous posts, I realized that my SD4 has hose clamps, not shaft collars.  I'm beginning to wonder if I have an SD4 case full of SD3 parts.  Perhaps it's a new product line:  SD3.5, aka "FrankenDoodle".

The first run of SD4s had the hose clamps. It's a relatively recent improvement.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.