1 (edited by dubbsd 2013-12-12 23:08:37)

Topic: water cooled hotend - the Kraken

Hey Tim
Are you going to carry the Kraken water cooled hotend  in your store.

http://e3d-online.com/The-Kraken

Ultimaker S3.

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Sanjay and I have talked about it. I'd like to, but I think it would be best to wait for the beta period to close - it makes more sense to wait for a stable product.

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Would the SD3 handle the extra weight?

Ultimaker S3.

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Weight would actually be reduced, as it is a pure bowden setup.

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This would be cool!

I'm not sure I would ever use 4 nozzles but it is definitely awesome!

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Stevos758 wrote:

This would be cool!

I'm not sure I would ever use 4 nozzles but it is definitely awesome!

I wonder what the intended set-up is supposed to be like. Four extra steppers?

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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Yes, I would assume 4 separate steppers. Making anything else work might get complicated.

How would you control 7 steppers?

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Stevos758 wrote:

Yes, I would assume 4 separate steppers. Making anything else work might get complicated.

How would you control 7 steppers?


Azteeg X3

SD3 w/ mods:
Glass bed with QU-BD heat pad upgrade, threadless ballscrew w/ 8mm smooth rod, spectra line belt replacement, lawsy MK5 extruder, Lawsy replacement carriage, E3D hotend, Ramps 1.4 w/ reprap discount controller, DRV8825 drivers, 12v 30A PS, Acrylic case, Overkill Y-idlers, Filament alarm, Extruder fan + more.

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Rumba can handle 3 extruders, but it seems they stopped too soon.

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I really really want this lol.. 

How does one go about getting four bowden extruder drivers though? lol

Well actually I suppose you could just print them..

11 (edited by adrian 2013-12-14 01:03:23)

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given the physical arrangement means simultaneous printing options will be limited, there is always the perspective that you potentially dont need multiple drivers - just a 'safe' (for the drivers - meaning, set the motor to 'off', which disables the stepper chip) way to toggle which stepper is connected active to the stepper.

You potentially could do it all of a standard sanguinololu with just a small carrier board...

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You know, thats a good point..  How could you make the program send the right sleep/enable signals to each driver? I didn't know that was a feature.

13 (edited by adrian 2013-12-14 03:26:33)

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ITman496 wrote:

You know, thats a good point..  How could you make the program send the right sleep/enable signals to each driver? I didn't know that was a feature.

Send M84 E to disable the Extruder until the next extruder move, and thus sticking the stepper driver in sleep mode (well, disables it via its enable pin anyway).

As for getting it to switch the appropriate mux (i'm imagining this would be best done as digitally switched small ssr's driving some *FETs.... ) ; then right now, would be easiest to run it through a post-process filter in RH that simply looks for the various snippets of tool-change gcode and does a simple 'insert line with M84 E ; M42 P7 S255; M42 P8 S0; M42 P9 S255' ; where P7, P8 and P9 are the mythical pins I have chosen to be the inputs to the mux to switch the input states to the steppers motor header and 0 or 255 control their state. The next extruder move will auto-re-enable the stepper, so no need to worry about that part. Would be easy enough to do this in python, perl, php or whatever your preferred script poison is. Meh, slic3r via its custom g-code might have some ability to add extra tool-change code anyway, in which case, it can be all done sans script....

Anyway - thats one way you could skin the cat.

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I almost want to use some kind of external shift register or some extra pins to have it select the drivers.  I wonder if you could have the cheapest printer board money can buy and then use that for extruders? lol

They usually have 4 axis so.. 

Can someone run two printrboards or sang's or ramps or whatever?

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ITman496 wrote:

I almost want to use some kind of external shift register or some extra pins to have it select the drivers.  I wonder if you could have the cheapest printer board money can buy and then use that for extruders? lol

They usually have 4 axis so.. 

Can someone run two printrboards or sang's or ramps or whatever?

yeah, shift register, mux, its only the surronding circuitry that gets tweaked and the software codes - but same same outcome.

And yeah, if you google around, adrian bowyer i believe had a modified marlin to send gcode to a second board to drive multiple extruders as part of his colour mixing experiments....

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sounds good, gonna do some research!  I can't decide what about this hot end I like more, the fact that there is four extruders, or that it's water cooled..  I like water cooled anything.

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Impressive design... but you would still have four separate colors. And afraid by the weight of 4 stepper motors. The hotend itself is quite light.
I think I saw a printer with 4 feeders and one extruder, with the ability to generate intermediate colors by mixing them when they get melted in the same extruder. Don't know how you manage to manage the feeders to take into account the various percentages of colors required.

18 (edited by dubbsd 2013-12-14 15:22:06)

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elmoret wrote:

Weight would actually be reduced, as it is a pure bowden setup.

http://start3dprinting.com/2013/07/what … -extruder/

Ultimaker S3.

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I presume you could just use three of the extruders and drive it with the rumba board?

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You could go with a dual feed extruder.
http://hackaday.com/2013/08/10/dual-ext … per-motor/

Ultimaker S3.

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the azteeg x3 with the latest shield can support 4 hotends and a heated bed as well as up to 8 steppers smile  Although I beleive most firmwares only support up to 3 hotends...

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I believe this is the board you are looking for:
https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10507

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how much does the extra hot ends affect the build area?

Ultimaker S3.

24 (edited by adrian 2013-12-28 08:39:27)

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Rough Order of Magnitude is you'll loose or gain 0-30 mm due to the fact all nozzles are displaced from 0,0 on the x - carriages.

Use the right most front, you'd be technically -15 to -25 ... Use the front left most you'd be +15 to +25 off axis from 0,0...

Check the technical drawings to be sure...its then just a simple maths problem