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Topic: Favorite CAD control schemes

So we've had a lot of discussions on the topic of what the best CAD software is, we haven't seen too much on which CAD software has the most intuitive controls. I notice that this is a major stumbling block for many users. 

What is your favorite?

Just to clarify what I mean, you might compare:
Sketchup, with it's helpful dragging via traditional tool bars.
Tinkercad with it's pull to drag arrows.
Autocad, with it's menu based approach.

I may have just butchered that - I'm not much of a CAD-ista.

Thoughts?

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2 Reply by muddtt (edited by muddtt 2013-10-21 18:49:32)

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Re: Favorite CAD control schemes

I've used various iterations of AutoCAD and Solidworks for years. I briefly tried some of the free options (freecad, sketchup, etc). I think Solidworks still wins for me as most usable. It also wins for highest price tongue It does sketches, features, constraints, assemblies in a way that just makes sense.

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Re: Favorite CAD control schemes

As a computer programmer, I find openscad fits in my brain much better than any GUI driven CAD tools.

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4 Reply by IronMan (edited by IronMan 2013-10-21 21:03:51)

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Re: Favorite CAD control schemes

I have tried brief stints with Creo Elements, 123d, and Sketchup...I just had to go back to SolidWorks.  It is so much more intuitive and it keeps all associated relationships to solids and construction geometry so well.  It IS one of highest cost options, though.  I am lucky as I have a work-related license to use it...But here is another idea:

Solidoodle brokers a web-based SolidWorks licensing scheme with Dassault Systems.  Normal single-use licenses cost around $4-5,000 per year for a typical company.  If you break that cost down into a per hour basis, you get $5,000 / 241 (working days) / 8 hrs per day = roughly $2.60 per hour.  Members could buy blocks of time, with time packages increasing in value as the package hours go up i.e.  10 hrs for $26.00 / 20 hrs for $45.00 / 50 hrs for $100.00.

The compelling things about this are:
- The tens of thousands(?) of folks that would love to get on SW but cannot afford it means there is a huge unserved market for Dassault
- It is a niche that they will never penetrate on their own.
- They stand to do nothing but make more profit.
- Solidoodle adds a $0.20 / hr take for providing the server, etc.

Everybody makes money...and a lot more folks use an awesome CAD tool.

BTW...I am not suggesting that Solidoodle needs to pre-purchase any licenses...Dassault would need to give SD virtual unlimited licenses at no cost.  The actual licenses do not have a true "cost" to bear.  The profit would simply flow in.

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Re: Favorite CAD control schemes

You'll find many conflicting answers.

For example, I had to learn solidworks in classes and found it to be terrible software. Much buggier than Autodesk's offerings, less capable, and more processor intensive. But clearly ironman likes it. 



Some people love openscad...Some people love tinkercad.

Personally I see a lot of potential in 123Make and MeshMixer. But I use inventor professional for now while I have a student license.

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Re: Favorite CAD control schemes

I think individual preferences depend largely on the type of models desired.  Clearly Meshmixer, Rhino, 3D Sculpt, etc. are preferred for more imaginative and stylistic modelling.  I think SolidWorks is better at creating more mechanical items that have dimensionally defined cubes, revolves and cuts, etc.

I pretty much focus on the latter...Boring!

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Re: Favorite CAD control schemes

This seems like such a simple question!

But its a bit like asking what vehicle is easiest to use and then asking cyclists, astronauts, race car drivers, metro riders to face off :-)

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Re: Favorite CAD control schemes

IronMan wrote:

Solidoodle brokers a web-based SolidWorks licensing scheme with Dassault Systems.  Normal single-use licenses cost around $4-5,000 per year for a typical company.  If you break that cost down into a per hour basis, you get $5,000 / 241 (working days) / 8 hrs per day = roughly $2.60 per hour.  Members could buy blocks of time, with time packages increasing in value as the package hours go up i.e.  10 hrs for $26.00 / 20 hrs for $45.00 / 50 hrs for $100.00.

The compelling things about this are:
- The tens of thousands(?) of folks that would love to get on SW but cannot afford it means there is a huge unserved market for Dassault
- It is a niche that they will never penetrate on their own.
- They stand to do nothing but make more profit.
- Solidoodle adds a $0.20 / hr take for providing the server, etc.

Everybody makes money...and a lot more folks use an awesome CAD tool.

BTW...I am not suggesting that Solidoodle needs to pre-purchase any licenses...Dassault would need to give SD virtual unlimited licenses at no cost.  The actual licenses do not have a true "cost" to bear.  The profit would simply flow in.

IronMan, maybe you need to come work where I work :-)

If you check out Local Motors who does open source automotive design (https://forge.localmotors.com/design1/) , you can get a basic version of Solid Edge for $20 a month.  Siemens PLM and Local Motors also offer higher ends of Solid Edge by subscription. Its not hourly like you said but you can just pay for a month at a time.

Mark

P.S. I work for Siemens PLM... I'm not trying to market here, just pointing out there is a basis for what IronMan wrote.

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Re: Favorite CAD control schemes

mark.burhop wrote:
IronMan wrote:

Solidoodle brokers a web-based SolidWorks licensing scheme with Dassault Systems.  Normal single-use licenses cost around $4-5,000 per year for a typical company.  If you break that cost down into a per hour basis, you get $5,000 / 241 (working days) / 8 hrs per day = roughly $2.60 per hour.  Members could buy blocks of time, with time packages increasing in value as the package hours go up i.e.  10 hrs for $26.00 / 20 hrs for $45.00 / 50 hrs for $100.00.

The compelling things about this are:
- The tens of thousands(?) of folks that would love to get on SW but cannot afford it means there is a huge unserved market for Dassault
- It is a niche that they will never penetrate on their own.
- They stand to do nothing but make more profit.
- Solidoodle adds a $0.20 / hr take for providing the server, etc.

Everybody makes money...and a lot more folks use an awesome CAD tool.

BTW...I am not suggesting that Solidoodle needs to pre-purchase any licenses...Dassault would need to give SD virtual unlimited licenses at no cost.  The actual licenses do not have a true "cost" to bear.  The profit would simply flow in.

IronMan, maybe you need to come work where I work :-)

If you check out Local Motors who does open source automotive design (https://forge.localmotors.com/design1/) , you can get a basic version of Solid Edge for $20 a month.  Siemens PLM and Local Motors also offer higher ends of Solid Edge by subscription. Its not hourly like you said but you can just pay for a month at a time.

Mark

P.S. I work for Siemens PLM... I'm not trying to market here, just pointing out there is a basis for what IronMan wrote.

Mark,
Awesome!  SolidWorks (Dassault) has some catching up to do!!  I tried Solid Edge some time back and it is VERY GOOD...I might enact this trial and give it another spin; just in case my opportunity to use SW ever ceases...

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Re: Favorite CAD control schemes

I am no CAD expert. Hell, I can't even spell CDA. See.

BUT, I think if you want to spend (waste?) time talking about what is the best CAD sw, you need to get a little more specific, particularly about the money. I have little doubt that Solid Works  is a fine system but it seems expensive, especially when there are some pretty nice free systems available. Also, you have to decide... best, for what? Architecture? Sheet metal? Animation? 2D sketches? 3D? Solid/parametric?

SketchUP is a big local favorite but everyone sees its shortcomings when it comes time to print that drawing. Among 3D solids programs there are also free offerings that shine for one type of industry/application or other, such as Creo DME, Rhine, etc.

It also depends on what a fellow's own personal requirements are. I, for example, spent 20 years writing code and now that I am getting older (and retired) I don't want to work so hard to learn a new development environment. So, to me, a butt-simple program like AutoDesk's 123D just really appeals.

I hope that was clear as mud and really, really just contributed significantly to this conversation.

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Re: Favorite CAD control schemes

Heartlander, for just plain easy, I like TinkerCAD (also from Autodesk). When I talk with younger kids, this is what I recommend.

For older kids (HS and University) I'll usually point to the "mainstream" CAD like SolidWorks/Inventor/Solid Edge.  These have the added advantage of being used in industry so you not only have a tool you can use, you have a skill that can help get a job. They also are available for students.  Its great you can get multi-thousand dollar software for free (Solid Edge, Inventor) or for a small fee (I think SW is about $100)  CREO/NX/CATIA are VERY powerful but likely overkill for a consumer level 3D Printer. Of course, if you are going to get a job at NASA making Mars rovers or designing airplanes or cars, NX and CATIA would get good choices.

The other free or low cost products from Autodesk or Sketchup make the most sense for makers/hobbyist that don't need or want to pay for something more high end.

Rhino is good with a strong community but it is more industrial design and kind of in a class by itself. You will often see it paired up with some of the products above.

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Re: Favorite CAD control schemes

I like Sketchup for basic modeling and Solidworks for more complex models.

Solidoodle, if you're working on something CAD related, I'm interested to work with you. I've taught Sketchup locally and am currently working on a book.

Fun fact, according to Photizo Group's research, most people using personal printers design with Sketchup by far.

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Re: Favorite CAD control schemes

I thought TinkerCad was discontinued. Did AutoDesk adopt it? I agree strongly Mark with your point about learning a platform you can grow into a career. To me, AutoDesk is promising because, theoretically, a noob can start off with 123D then migrate up to Invent and so on into corporate-class software and a set of very marketable skills. Unlike SketchUp, I think.

Finally, as TinkerCad and even (GOOGLE'S) SketchUp have shown, be careful which star you hitch your wagon too. A company like SolidWorks or AutoDesk are deeply and primarily committed to CAD and will likely be around tomorrow, the others, maybe not so much.

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Heartlander, yes, TinkerCAD shut down but then Autodesk bought them and put them back up. Kai Backman and Mikko Mononen who founded it have moved on.

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BTW, I just dowloaded FreeCad and gave it a spin...it seems to be a very powerful system with lots of nice parametric capability and associative features akin to SW and SolidEdge.  For the price (free) can't beat it...

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Re: Favorite CAD control schemes

I've used Solidworks in the past, SketchUp in recent years but I'm considering a move to 123D design. Trialling it at the moment but it seems to have a good set of features.

Also just started to get into OpenSCAD.

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