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Topic: 3D printer design - fixed extruder?

I've had my printer for a few weeks now and as I sit and watch it, I wonder why all 3D printers move the head in at least one axis.

My SD3 gently pulls on the filament spool and then slacks it up as it prints. I also watch the wires move back an forth. It seems to me that a fixed extruder head would make a more reliable printer and provide much less drag on the system by pulling around wires and filament.

Other than a larger printer footprint by a factor of two (moving an 8 inch bed left and right would take 16 inches of width, same for forward and back), why aren't there any fixed extruder head printers out there?

Just curious...

Hardware: SD3, Octoprint, Raspberry Pi
Software: Cura and ViaCad

2 (edited by Leghk 2013-10-15 03:07:03)

Re: 3D printer design - fixed extruder?

Old timers will remember Makerbot Cupcake and Thing-O-Matic which moved their platforms in X & Y, while only lifting the extruder per layer.

You're dead on target for one issue, the desk space needed is a bit over double the build area, per axis.

Another issue is that the larger your total volume, the more mass you need to shift without it pulling loose, and the more your poor little steppers have to torque to get it moving at all, while moving the extruder is a predictable load on them.

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Re: 3D printer design - fixed extruder?

That and shaking around your print. As you go faster you are asking for a tall print to fly right off.

I think the best compromise here is the Bowden type extruder, where the weight of the extruder is moved to a stationary location and just the hot end is being moved about.

You're still moving wires and filament, but your print head is a LOT lighter and can hence move quicker and require less to change direction.

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Re: 3D printer design - fixed extruder?

Yup. Also think about how the over-all weight of the bed changes as the print goes form 1% to 100%. The print itself dynamically changes the weight of the bed, but the stepper acceleration and speed are constant factors in the firmware. In order to have enough torque for the weight at the end of the print, you could be over-shooting your movement at the beginning of the print.

Plus, the idea of pushing the print and the bed weight around at fast speeds is less accurate than just the extruder.

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5 (edited by adrian 2013-10-15 13:20:27)

Re: 3D printer design - fixed extruder?

Hazer wrote:

Plus, the idea of pushing the print and the bed weight around at fast speeds is less accurate than just the extruder.

My OrdBot Hadron with Fixed Gantry and 'flying bed' (moving y-axis) would tend to disagree with you.... wink

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-SYf3fo1Lu_A/Ulq7qVS1oUI/AAAAAAAAI6s/o3I1ilnxsBk/w1095-h821-no/20131014_022558.jpg

That print was done the moment I finished building the extruder assembly... zero calibration, just 'best guesses' on my part... and I deliberately pulled the top apart testing layer adhesion...

But to be fair - yes its single-walled wink - and examples of moving beds (i.e, fixed vs flying gantries) tend to be limited to a single axis outside of original examples already mentioned (ToM etc)..... multiple axi' on a bed would pose greater acceleration/decel vectors than one in a singularly linear motion application..

And +1 on the dimensional challenges of fixed-vs-flying gantries...  The 214 build area of the hadron means I have to stick it 'sideways' on the desk as the y-rail is considerably longer than 214 smile ...

6 (edited by TahoeTim 2013-10-15 13:30:18)

Re: 3D printer design - fixed extruder?

Thanks guys. My assumptions were the opposite regarding weight. That's why I asked the question here.

To me, the wires and filament pull are not consistent hence my thought that a gradually increasing part weight would be more accurate than the varying pull toward the back of the doodle in the forward direction and the near weightless return to the back of the machine. I had assumed that the weight of the part was rather insignificant but I am apparently wrong.

Hardware: SD3, Octoprint, Raspberry Pi
Software: Cura and ViaCad

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Re: 3D printer design - fixed extruder?

If you are running your filament through that hole, I would agree. That is why I run mine from the top:

http://imageshack.us/a/img833/6492/tmv4.jpg

No pull. No tangles. No problems.

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Re: 3D printer design - fixed extruder?

I'm doing the top mount as well, with ball bearings too:

http://www.soliforum.com/topic/4170/gar … ol-holder/

I definitely got better print quality when I eliminated all the excess drag from the filament.

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Re: 3D printer design - fixed extruder?

Claghorn wrote:

I'm doing the top mount as well, with ball bearings too:

http://www.soliforum.com/topic/4170/gar … ol-holder/

I definitely got better print quality when I eliminated all the excess drag from the filament.

You need to cover that up, your losing all your heat!

I took that $10 party tray from Amazon, cut a hole in it, and used 3" conveyor brushes from Mcmaster Carr for the filament to pass through.

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