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Topic: Solidoodle 3: Broken belt loop

Hello,

Today I left my print printing and when I came back I realized the model was all over the place because of the y-axis. I thought it was the old y-axis belt that needs tensioning but it looks a bit more serious than that.

Can you please look at the photo and tell me what I need to order to fix this? I think the gear broke. What parts do I need to order?

I think the problem lies with the fact that when I calibrate the y-axis carriages the belt always ends up tight against the outside of the gear and that's why it broke there. For some reason the belt never ends up centered nicely between the two walls of the gear.

(I also know that I need new screws for the y-motor (their socket head is getting worn out). Do you know what are the part number?)

Can anyone tell me the part numbers, price, and leadtime to Toronto, Canada?

Thanks a bunch!

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2 (edited by MeshMoth 2013-10-10 04:17:51)

Re: Solidoodle 3: Broken belt loop

Same thing happened to mine except my pulleys didn't break...I think its because I made it too tight... well what you need to fix it is a new belt and pulleys (obviously) and to take apart the printer. I'd probably replace both pulleys instead of just the broken one.

Ignore following go to Ian's Post bellow
Took me a long time to find the the right belt, but i finally found this company. They maybe Solidoodle's distributors since they are also located in Brooklyn NY. The part number you can search for is A 6R51M084060. Bought a few just in case it craps out again...

And sorry, but I dont know where to find replacement pulleys that are exactly the same as the ones that come with our printers...
Quite possibly the same website but I never bought any so i'm not sure what the part number would be.

Hope it helps... good luck.

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Re: Solidoodle 3: Broken belt loop

MeshMoth wrote:

Same thing happened to mine except my pulleys didn't break...I think its because I made it too tight... well what you need to fix it is a new belt and pulleys (obviously) and to take apart the printer. I'd probably replace both pulleys instead of just the broken one.

Took me a long time to find the the right belt, but i finally found this company. They maybe Solidoodle's distributors since they are also located in Brooklyn NY. The part number you can search for is A 6R51M084060. Bought a few just in case it craps out again...

And sorry, but I dont know where to find replacement pulleys that are exactly the same as the ones that come with our printers...
Quite possibly the same website but I never bought any so i'm not sure what the part number would be.

Hope it helps... good luck.

We're in the process of adding belts and pulleys to the store. You should see the official Solidoodle belts and pulleys in our store in the next week or so.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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Re: Solidoodle 3: Broken belt loop

Thank you for the helpful reply. For whatever reason I can't seem to know how to search in their website! I don't know how to find the part number! :s

I am also thinking to switching to a V-belt since the supplied belt never stays in the centre of the spool for whatever reason.

MeshMoth wrote:

Same thing happened to mine except my pulleys didn't break...I think its because I made it too tight... well what you need to fix it is a new belt and pulleys (obviously) and to take apart the printer. I'd probably replace both pulleys instead of just the broken one.

Took me a long time to find the the right belt, but i finally found this company. They maybe Solidoodle's distributors since they are also located in Brooklyn NY. The part number you can search for is A 6R51M084060. Bought a few just in case it craps out again...

And sorry, but I dont know where to find replacement pulleys that are exactly the same as the ones that come with our printers...
Quite possibly the same website but I never bought any so i'm not sure what the part number would be.

Hope it helps... good luck.

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Re: Solidoodle 3: Broken belt loop

to correct the Belt tracking you will need to adjust the drive motor.  The axis of the motor and the driven axis MUST be parallel in order to keep the belt tracking properly.  Check the StockDriveParts web site for a tutorial on belt tensioning.
Switching to a V-belt will result in a major loss of precision in your prints, this is why toothed timing belts are used.

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fadilee wrote:

Thank you for the helpful reply. For whatever reason I can't seem to know how to search in their website! I don't know how to find the part number! :s

I am also thinking to switching to a V-belt since the supplied belt never stays in the centre of the spool for whatever reason.

It's pretty easy, just go to the tab that says "Buy Online" at the top blue and then copy and paste the part number...

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Re: Solidoodle 3: Broken belt loop

MeshMoth wrote:
fadilee wrote:

Thank you for the helpful reply. For whatever reason I can't seem to know how to search in their website! I don't know how to find the part number! :s

I am also thinking to switching to a V-belt since the supplied belt never stays in the centre of the spool for whatever reason.

It's pretty easy, just go to the tab that says "Buy Online" at the top blue and then copy and paste the part number...

http://store.solidoodle.com/index.php?r … uct_id=104

We also sell the belts directly.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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Re: Solidoodle 3: Broken belt loop

That part# is for GT2 belts.  Unless they have changed them in the last 9 months or so, I believe they have been using MXL belts.

From Jerseydevil last feb-

If anyone needs the the MXL drive belt from the Y axis stepper is marked on my system.
It is an SDP-SI part number: SDP A6Z16 084 025/060
That should be actual part number: A6Z16M084060 (the M is implied, 84 is the number of teeth, the 025/060 are SAE/metric belt width).
This is just a fiberglass reinforced neoprene belt so a steel or Kevlar reinforced belt would be an improvement.

If you want to get the pulleys on your own, these will work - https://sdp-si.com/eStore/PartDetail.as … roupID=347
They are MXL pitch timing pulleys with 18 teeth, 6mm bore, 2 flanges and hub. about $5 each.

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Re: Solidoodle 3: Broken belt loop

IanJohnson wrote:

That part# is for GT2 belts.  Unless they have changed them in the last 9 months or so, I believe they have been using MXL belts.

From Jerseydevil last feb-

If anyone needs the the MXL drive belt from the Y axis stepper is marked on my system.
It is an SDP-SI part number: SDP A6Z16 084 025/060
That should be actual part number: A6Z16M084060 (the M is implied, 84 is the number of teeth, the 025/060 are SAE/metric belt width).
This is just a fiberglass reinforced neoprene belt so a steel or Kevlar reinforced belt would be an improvement.

If you want to get the pulleys on your own, these will work - https://sdp-si.com/eStore/PartDetail.as … roupID=347
They are MXL pitch timing pulleys with 18 teeth, 6mm bore, 2 flanges and hub. about $5 each.

Whats the difference between an MXL and GT2? I just went by counting and measuring the teeth and measuring the gap between each tooth then measuring the width of the belt. The last time I printed something (3 months ago) it seemed to be printing the same as it was before the belt failed.

Edit: Nevermind... i googled. smile
Sorry for the wrong info folks... Honest mistake...

Looks like I'm gonna be changing my belts again... or changing to GT2 pulleys.

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Re: Solidoodle 3: Broken belt loop

You are probably better off getting the GT2 pulleys.   They are supposed to have much less backlash.

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Re: Solidoodle 3: Broken belt loop

Thanks for the tip Ian.

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Hello,

Few feedback:

1) It looks like the gear was not sheared off! The gear is spool-like (it has a cap at the end). The cap came off so I was able to glue it back together.

2) I am having hard time with the y-motore:

a. Due to tension the y-axis dip down with the max flexing point being in the middle of the y-axis. So the belt takes the path of least resistance and start shifting away from the motor.

b. Due to tension the y-motor axis is not parallel (not level) but pointing upward a bit. Even the sheet metal part of the cage it is screws onto is not flat but flexing; when I put a ruler against the surface I can tell that the sheet metal is flexing because of the tension.

c. If I don't tense the belt then the belt starts to skip.

Any ideas how I should fix this? I know I am probably don't something wrong so please guide me to how to fix it.

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Re: Solidoodle 3: Broken belt loop

I discovered the same issue when I followed the video on adjusting the belts. Since the rod floats back and forth, the motor not being parallel to the rod is the culprit IMHO.

I stacked a thin washer between the motor and the frame on the top two bolts. My SD3 prints almost perfect circles now.

Hardware: SD3, Octoprint, Raspberry Pi
Software: Cura and ViaCad

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Re: Solidoodle 3: Broken belt loop

Something I've started doing to help with alignment between the motor pulley and the pulley on the rod is to loosen the set screw on the rod pulley, and then run the motor back and forth by hitting Home Y and -100mm a bunch.  It helps that pulley settle in to where it needs to be.  Then I tighten the screw and and do the same thing for the other pulleys.

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Re: Solidoodle 3: Broken belt loop

There must be a better solution to reducing play in the Y axis system.  I also have spent countless hours fiddling with belt tensions and aligning rods...and the end result is never quite satisfactory.  I still have noticeable backlash and imperfect circles.  I remember reading about some people (I think Lawsy was one) using cable or fishing line instead of belts.  I think the idea is that there is less play  and stretch and requires less tension on the shafts.  Has anyone successfully installed this and does it work?

I think friction between the Y carriage bearings and the shafts has a huge effect on backlash since switching directions makes the carriage temporarily stop.  Even with tight belts, restarting motion means there is a static friction threshold to overcome.   While tensioning the belts helps overcome the carriage friction, it also creates more friction in the bearings on the rear rod as well as the idler pulleys which adds to the problem and creates misalignments.  I think the way to go is to replace all components with low friction components (LM8UU bearings for carriage, ball bearings to replace bearings in the back rod, maybe different idler pulleys...) thus requiring less tension in the belts to achieve the same drive reaction.  Thoughts?

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Re: Solidoodle 3: Broken belt loop

I often suspect my remaining problems are due to the rods not all being completely parallel, but I have no idea how to tell for sure or fix it if I could tell. Especially the little stubby rods the pulleys in the top front are mounted on.

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Re: Solidoodle 3: Broken belt loop

Ok, here is how I solved the problem:

1) Diagnose if your y-motor is level or not (parallel) with the y-axis or not. Here is how I do it: I look at the y-motor from the top of the printer and try to align the edges of the motor with the edges of the cage through my line of sight. If the y-motor is not level the edges won't align.

2) Diagnose if the cage sheet metal where the y-motor attachs has been bent (flexed). Take a ruler or any straight edge and put it on the sheet metal and see if the sheet metal is straight or not.

3) If the y-motor is not level, and the sheet metal has been bent, then put washers between the y-motor and the sheet metal to level the y-motor.

4) Don't push on the motor down too much when you are screwing it in; the belt needs to be in tension but it shouldn't flex the y-axis too much.

I hope this helps!

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Re: Solidoodle 3: Broken belt loop

TahoeTim wrote:

I discovered the same issue when I followed the video on adjusting the belts. Since the rod floats back and forth, the motor not being parallel to the rod is the culprit IMHO.

I stacked a thin washer between the motor and the frame on the top two bolts. My SD3 prints almost perfect circles now.

I would like to explore this. Can you post pictures of your fix?

My SD3:  Clear plexiglass case, case heater, X axis stabilizer, Z axis stabilizer, thumb screws, filament guide, heatsinks on all motors, extruder fan, controller fan, heatsinks on motherboard, Y rod pillow block, USB and Power on/off switch, fully calibrated including trimpot tuning. Am I missing anything?