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Topic: Layer Separation

I just got a Solidoodle. I've been printing out calibration cubes. The layers don't appear to be sticking together. I raised the temp up to 215 for the extruder but it hasn't seemed to get any better. Any tips/ideas?

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What color filament?

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Both white and the reddish orange it comes with.

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Do you mean the first layer isn't sticking?

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The first layer is ok but many of the rest aren't adhering to each other well. It will feel flimsy or kinda like a slinky.

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Do you have an enclosure?  Layer separation can be caused by the ambient temp. being too low.

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Sounds more like under-extrusion. Have you done the extruder calibration? As in 100mm commanded extrusion = 100mm of filament consumed?

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If you could post some pictures of what the problem looks like it would help immensely for troubleshooting and guiding you to the correct settings smile

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I haven't tried enclosing it yet. I've started to calibrate the extruder. It looks like its pulling more than 100mm at this point. Pics to come

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You may actually be running it too hot. With the Solidoodle I've found best layer adhesion with most ABS filaments I've tried to be at about 200 - 205C

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I don't think I've been getting up to 200C. I just bought a no touch thermometer and it looks like repeater is reporting it to be 30 + degrees hotter than it actually is.

Also how do you post photos in this forum? Do I have to host them somewhere and then link to them? That's what that image button seems to indicate.

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The image button allows photos hosted elsewhere to be displayed, or you can attach a file. I think you need to have a higher post count first.

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Maybe. I am not seeing an attach button.

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NOw I'm getting some temp error saying to use M999 to restart. What the heck does that mean?

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It means you need to fix whatever problem you have (in this case a temp error, probably from being too hot) , then manually run M999 G-Code to reset, at which point start again.

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M999 means it has lost communication with the the thermistor.   Maybe a bad connector or a broken wire.

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Is it always lost communication? Reading through the posts with M999 mentioned it seemed that various temp issues could cause it? But that was just my reading, so I don't mind standing corrected.

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Gomisan wrote:

Is it always lost communication? Reading through the posts with M999 mentioned it seemed that various temp issues could cause it? But that was just my reading, so I don't mind standing corrected.

That's the issue 99.9% of the time.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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It could be either. I was setting the extruder to 245 since my thermometer was saying it was only getting to 180 when it was set to 210. I wonder if I burned it out.

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So it prints at 210 without errors but the layers still don't seem to be melting together well.

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i know that when i first setup my doodle and started printing 20mm cubes as a test, i had the same layer adhesion problem. I built an enclosure around it to let the air temperature come up (i'm in an air conditioned shop), let the ambient air temperature get up to about 30 degrees C first, then when i started printing it improved greatly. My head temp is at about 205 and bed temp is set to 115. I've since added a tiny heating element at the bottom of the doodle that gets the ambient air temp up to about 40 degrees C.

I haven't done any calibrations yet, so don't know how far out my extrusion is (in terms of usage) one way or another, though i know the enclosure made all the difference for me

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Re: Layer Separation

Back off on the temps; a LOT.  You're never going to see the outside of the extruder reach the reported temps; because the OUTSIDE doesn't ever get that hot.  Additionally; where the solidoodle's thermistor is located; actually reports temps 15-30 degree's (c) cooler than actual.  By trying to ramp up to 245 you were actually (trying) to reach 260-275 which is well outside the safe zone for this hotend.

EDIT:  The above is kind of confusing, let me try again.....

Because of the extruder temp sensor's location, setting it to 200 degree's C, actually means you are melting the filament at ~215-230 C.  If you set it to 245, then you are actually (trying) to get it to 260-275, which is above the failure zone of the extruder.  I can't find a source at the moment but I seem to recall hearing that the stock extruder will begin to fail at ~255-260 C; so it's possible that damage has already been done.

(End edit)

When you see suggested temps on other sites (or from the manufacturer you got the filament from); take off 30 degrees and use that as a starting point.  I do my ABS printing at ~195 (glass bed @ 95; full enclosure).  Last night I did a 9 hour print at those settings without a problem.

Go through the following links for how to properly calibrate your machine.  Some of them repeat information; but you should read them all as there is a lot of information that will help you understand what causes problems and how to fix them.  Without knowing how well your machine is currently calibrated; and without pictures; it could be your extruder steps, your z-steps, extrusion multiplier, filament settings in slic3r (or whatever slicing program you use); or any other of a half dozen things.

http://blog.mcmelectronics.com/post/3D- … e_Sj5vD-Uk
http://wiki.solidoodle.com/solidoodle-1
http://reprap.org/wiki/Calibration
http://www.soliwiki.com/Main_Page#Calibrations

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Im having a similar issue where the layers aren't sticking together. Also the lines are pretty thin. whenever it does a zig zag formation it has a lot of spacing between each line. Im using the acetone and abs slurry.

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Blinkmind - your bed needs to be adjusted up - there is far too much space between the bed and the nozzle.

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