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Topic: Best tips for simpler - less crash prone - models?

I have the latest update of SU 2013. It still crashes at the blink of an eye. So, I'm looking at why and suspecting that if I used few-sided circles, etc. it might crash less often. Please help me.

What are some other things I can do to spend more tine working and less time restarting SU from crashes and saving, saving, saving my model every few seconds?

Also, what things can be applied to an existing model to simplify it and what do you have to start from a clean sheet with?

I'm trying to transition to Creo but meanwhile I have to live with SketchUp.

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2 (edited by 2n2r5 2013-08-29 15:48:30)

Re: Best tips for simpler - less crash prone - models?

You might want to make sure you don't have a corrupt memory module. I can't tell you the last time that I had SU crash on me. You might also need to increase the size of your swap file or check the disk for bad sectors.

I can understand a crash every now and then but it sounds like your have something more serious going on.

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Re: Best tips for simpler - less crash prone - models?

I crash it probably two dozen times a day. Sometimes, I'll save, do a Move or even just attach some text callouts and BLAM. It really hates Move, I guess because it has to make several versions of the model, but text lables? That doesn't figure.

I have a 64 bit laptop with 8GB RAM. But, the swap file is a good idea. I'll check that. Thanks.

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Re: Best tips for simpler - less crash prone - models?

Make sure your video card drivers are up to date also. If it happens on moves then that is a ton of GPU processor being used.

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Glass bed with QU-BD heat pad upgrade, threadless ballscrew w/ 8mm smooth rod, spectra line belt replacement, lawsy MK5 extruder, Lawsy replacement carriage, E3D hotend, Ramps 1.4 w/ reprap discount controller, DRV8825 drivers, 12v 30A PS, Acrylic case, Overkill Y-idlers, Filament alarm, Extruder fan + more.

5 (edited by Heartlander 2013-08-29 17:33:58)

Re: Best tips for simpler - less crash prone - models?

My swap file was at something like 1300MB but Winnie recommended 4500! So, I set it to manual mgmt and set the min at that and max at dbl that. Let's see how she runs now.

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Re: Best tips for simpler - less crash prone - models?

You might want to try Autodesk 123D.  I ran the beta a while back, and it seemed pretty good.

http://www.123dapp.com/design

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Re: Best tips for simpler - less crash prone - models?

I saw a nice video demo of the Creo Sketch (like MS Paint almost, 2D) used in conunction with anoter Creo product I can't recall that took the 2D into 3D and had some slick looking features and seemed pretty easy to get used to. I emailed them for info but no reply. I guess they know I'm That Guy on the SD forum. Crap.  smile

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Re: Best tips for simpler - less crash prone - models?

It's creo direct modeling express, and it's free.  I don't have the link but it will turn up easily enough in Google.  The modeling is full featured, the paid versions just add workflow type features you would only use as a pro.

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Re: Best tips for simpler - less crash prone - models?

Thanks, Ian!

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Re: Best tips for simpler - less crash prone - models?

I have been trying to figure out Creo and it seems more complicated than Sketchup. Was going to try autodesk 123D but couldn't find the download. will try it out. personally I may just stick with SU because it seems the easiest to use and has a lot of plugins. Now, I just need to order a darn SD3!

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Re: Best tips for simpler - less crash prone - models?

best way to solve your sketchup problem is to uninstall it!

plenty of much better modeling softwares out there. i roll with Blender, but its not exactly noob friendly unless you have the patience of a saint. it is one of the more powerful tools out there once you learn the tricks to it though. specifically how to design dimensionally accurate parts with it, took a bit of doing to learn that.

12 (edited by Heartlander 2013-09-19 02:55:40)

Re: Best tips for simpler - less crash prone - models?

Yeah, see that's what I keep running up against. It's SketchUp or Hard. Sometimes Real Hard. Fine for young aces like many of you but for us old, feeble-minded, daft twits such as me, it's often SU or Nothing. In fairness, I'm quite sure most of the packages out there are excellent, and I'm not exactly feeble-minded yet. Well... what were we talking about?

But it's also unfair to say the best thing to do with SU is uninstall it. It's great for swearing at, it can crash more adeptly than another other piece of software created by the hand of man and nothing gets a heated conversation going faster than good ole SketchUp. So, why uninstall a fun thing like that?

I wish Trimble would put some horses on SketchUp, straighten out the math and fix than damn crash bug, then charge $49.99 for what is now the free version. Hell, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

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Re: Best tips for simpler - less crash prone - models?

Blender isn't as hard as some people make it out to be smile it is only as hard as you want it to be.... if you stay with simple actions and models it is pretty simple, if you want to get crazy with your models then it can get extremely complicated. There are plenty of tutorials and online help available for blender http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Doc:2.6/Tutorials

14 (edited by dkeeling728 2013-09-19 23:18:19)

Re: Best tips for simpler - less crash prone - models?

all you need to know to design parts in blender:

G - move, + x/y/z to bind to only move in that axis.
B - box select
A - select/deselect all
shift S - cursor options, use it to move your cursor (that round widget that controls where parts spawn and can be used as a reference point for other operations.
E - extrude. self explanatory + x/y/z to bind movement to one axis
P - separate, as in select a set of faces or vertexes and split them off to a new object.
hold shift instead of ctrl for multi-select.
Tab switches between object and edit mode

default unit is an arbitrary "blender unit" simplest way to design for printing is to treat one BU as one MM. for instance, if you want a part 40 mm tall. select the vertexes you want at the top, and type G (or E), Z, 40, enter.

there are a bunch of more complex things you can do with the cursor, and many more keyboard shortcuts, but this set should be enough to get you actually into the program without being totally lost. its approach is a bit different from traditional cad packages, but once you learn a bit about the workflow, it becomes natural and intuitive to you.

edit: wow! forgot basic view controls.
numpad 7 - top view
numpad 1 - right view
numpad 3 - front view
numpad 5 - switch between orthographic view (for designing) and perspective (to see what it looks like in reality)
the other numpad keys move the view in increments between the top/right/front/left view, experiment to see whats what, i dont pay attention to them much. lol