1 (edited by cordvision 2013-07-06 00:43:20)

Topic: Things to know before you buy...

UPDATED (07.05.13)
I want to list here a few things that I think will help people that are buying a Solidoodle, as well as a few things I wish I had known before ordering. I knew that the Solidoodle isn't a true plug and play printer, and that there's a good amount of tinkering involved with it in order to get good prints, but I still made quite a few mistakes that could have saved me a good amount of time.  I will keep updating this thread as I continue getting more experience with 3d printing. Here is just a quick guide that consolidates the most important steps and might keep you from a couple pitfalls.

-Before you order, read everything below. You might want to order some spare parts together with the printer.
-There's not too many instructions that come with it, so here are the most important steps:
-Unpack your Solidoodle but don't remove the kapton tape around the extruder and on the bed.
-Build the filament spool holder
-Connect your power adapter (you might have to push the plug into the power supply quite hard to get a proper connection).
-Install software that Solidoodle provides a link for (I would do this even before you get the printer and get familiar with it).
-Don't forget to Install the driver (link is bellow the main software link). I forgot to install the driver at first, which caused my
computer to not see the printer. Took me awhile to figure out what was wrong.
-Configure your Software according to the Solidoodle software config instructions.
-Load the slicer config files that are bundled with the Solidoodle software config instructions. The G-Code in the advanced section in slicer needs to be adjusted for the SD 3. It's for the SD 2, which means that it doesn't "dump" in the right place (even if you specified the right "dumping" coordinates in the preference tap. Also, you will have to adjust starting extruder temperature in this code (just changing it in the preference tap had no effect).
-Connect USB cable to computer (do this after you installed the software and driver).
-Make sure your computer doesn't go to sleep. One of my prints got interrupted because my computer went to sleep and the software crashed. Had to start the whole print all over again. (waste of time and filament)

-Check if everything is calibrated properly: PID calibration, Z screw (bed hight), level bed, feed rate, etc. (you'll find all this info in the Solidoodle wiki).
-PID tuning on Repetier on Mac is slightly different. Updating the Eeprom setting like described in the Wiki won't work. You will have to do it manually (pretty easy). Check here for more info: http://www.soliforum.com/topic/1388/tem … -problems/
-Even though I used the provided slicer preset, my filament size setting was wrong (3mm instead of 1.75), check to make sure this setting is correct.

-Start heating up the platform (don't even think about starting to print before it reaches proper temperature, the plastic won't stick and you are just wasting time). I found that 85 degrees Celsius works best. If it's hotter or cooler, it will curl more.
-Don't heat up your extruder too early. You don't want it to be up to temperature while in idle. It will clog very easily.
-Make sure that the extruder turns automatically off when not in use (will prevent clogs).
-I got a clog the first day, even though I made sure to never have it up to temperature when not printing.
-Also, I wouldn't heat up the Extruder any hotter than 210 degrees, you might damage it and it might clog. For some reason, at 195 degrees, I had the nozzle clog multiple times. I switched to 185 degrees, and haven't had a clog since.
-If you have a clog, there's a good chance you will break something trying to unclog it. I wouldn't even try working on the hot end while it is attached to the jigsaw. Remove the hot end (video on solidoodle wiki), and then work on it.
-The only reliable/practical way I found to clean out a clog was to remove the barrel and nozzle from the PEEK and then use a blow torch on them. Be careful when re-asempling that you turn the "sticking out part of the heater" away from the x-carriage (towards you). Else it will melt it.
-A clog will most likely happen at some point, and chances are you will break the barrel or some other part trying to remove it. In other words, you might want to order a replacement hot end (original or other compatible hot end) at the same time that you order the printer (I would suggest that if you use your printer for work, and you don't have time to wait for replacement parts). If you order later, after the clog happened, be aware that it might take weeks for Solidoodle to ship it, even if it is listed as "in stock". You might want to order spare parts from other suppliers (most of them seems to be a lot faster and ship within 48 hours if an item is in stock).
-Some spare parts like the barrel aren't listed as spare parts on the Solidoodle website but can be ordered form other manufactures without you being forced to buy a complete hot end.

-If you are having problems with your STL files, you might one to try running them trough netfabb (google it).
-Your first print should probably be a normal cube so you can see if you have any calibration etc. issues (also measure it to see if the dimensions are accurate).

- The first real items you should print are spare parts for your printer. I would definitely print an MK4 jigsaw replacement.
- I then would start looking at upgrades like a housing, glass bed etc. I added a glass bed (I use hairspray on it) and an enclosure. Those two upgrades fixed my warping and sticking issues almost completely.

-Make sure you have tools to work on the printer (you eventually will need them, guaranteed).
-Buy Kapton tape (I made the mistake that I thought I won't need it immediately, but I was proofed wrong the first day of printing).

-Get acetone, you will need it to clean the bed for the prints to stick to it, and also to make abs glue.

-Store your filament in a moisture proof container (to avoid bubbling).

-The original filament I got was from Solidoodle, and I then decided to switch to octave.com filament. They are cheap, ship very quick, and have good customer service. I found the best temp to print their black abs filament is 195 degrees.

-If your extruder is skipping, an easy fix might be to raise the extruder temp a little or to loosen or tighten the tension arm (sometimes loosening help, even though it seems counter intuitive.)
I hope those tips are of some help to beginners like myself. I'll update the list as time goes on. If you have any tips, corrections or additions, let me know...

Where I got my replacement parts and expendables from:

Makergear.com : Bought my heater barrel from there. Very fast shipping at a reasonable price.
Ultibots.com : Bought a J-head and Kapton tape from there. Very fast shipping at a reasonable price as well.
Octave.com : Got black abs filament from them. Fast shipping, good price and customer service.

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I have only been printing since the end of April and these are excellent comments. Additional thoughts:
1. Work with simple parts to get used to how everything works. Just get it operating as it comes.
2. Slowly extend your efforts.
3. Remember whatever happens can be fixed. Don't be in a big hurry.
4. Work in one change at a time; glass & hairspray, enclosure, KISSlicer, NetFabb.
5. Your probably doing this for fun, remember

By the way I haven't had a nozzle clog yet, probably tomorrow:-)

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I got mine last Thursday, no clog or break yet. Great points, I have some to add:
1. Do not expect to be printing perfect models the first day.
2. Get to know the software a week before so you can actually get something done on day 1.
3. Be prepared for breaks and know that eventually, something will break.

SD2 w/ Heated bed. Mods: E3D MK5, Lawsy MKV, Glass Bed, printed filament stand

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Also: Push the plug into the power supply HARD. I spent so much time trying to figure out why it wouldn't power on because I was being too gentle.  There's a bit of flashing midway into the power supply plug.

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Also: Run all STL's through netfab

SD2 - Glass Bed, Fans on PCB and Y motor, Custom enclosure
Slicer - Simplify3D

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This is very timely for me... UPS will be bringing my new SD3 today!  I don't have a replacement hot end on order yet... after reading your posts I'll probably get that ordered today.  I'll also bump up the MK4 jigsaw to one of the first prints I do.

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Also be aware of the power cord power supply problem and be prepared to re-solder the plug receptacle to the circuit board.

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Thanks in large part to all the tips I was up and running very quickly.  My printer came late yesterday... I've now got a nice looking cube, cylinder, and flying disc on my desk.

The only hiccup for me was that the test piece of filament in the extruder did not come out all of the way past the rollers (no idea how that is even possible... maybe they ran it all the way through and left the extruder at temp so gravity did the rest).  Anyway, I was able to push it down into the PEEK barrel using a small drill bit and the feeding of the new filament thankfully did the rest. 

I did have a bit of an issue with sticking to the Kapton initially, but wiping with acetone and adjusting the z-offset definitely helped.  I had already gotten a piece of 8x8 mirror (from JoAnns), so I quickly went to printing on glass with hairspray.  I also added the "poor man's" anti-backlash nut (sorry... I can't add links yet).  I'm really impressed with the results.  Minimal banding (as far as I can tell).  I have had a little trouble with larger parts not sticking, but I think adding a new layer of hairspray before those prints is helping with that issue.  I'm on a Mac and I have had Repetier crash a couple of times mid-print ... that's probably the biggest issue I've had so far.

Next steps for me (based on recommendations) ... get a spare hot end, print MK4 Jigsaw, and build an enclosure.

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1.  You will end up modifying your printer!!!

Sounds like jenkinsear is already there big_smile

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jenkinsear1 wrote:

Thanks in large part to all the tips I was up and running very quickly.  My printer came late yesterday... I've now got a nice looking cube, cylinder, and flying disc on my desk.

The only hiccup for me was that the test piece of filament in the extruder did not come out all of the way past the rollers (no idea how that is even possible... maybe they ran it all the way through and left the extruder at temp so gravity did the rest).  Anyway, I was able to push it down into the PEEK barrel using a small drill bit and the feeding of the new filament thankfully did the rest. 

I did have a bit of an issue with sticking to the Kapton initially, but wiping with acetone and adjusting the z-offset definitely helped.  I had already gotten a piece of 8x8 mirror (from JoAnns), so I quickly went to printing on glass with hairspray.  I also added the "poor man's" anti-backlash nut (sorry... I can't add links yet).  I'm really impressed with the results.  Minimal banding (as far as I can tell).  I have had a little trouble with larger parts not sticking, but I think adding a new layer of hairspray before those prints is helping with that issue.  I'm on a Mac and I have had Repetier crash a couple of times mid-print ... that's probably the biggest issue I've had so far.

Next steps for me (based on recommendations) ... get a spare hot end, print MK4 Jigsaw, and build an enclosure.

Well done! I wish I had been smart enough to find these forums before firing up my machine. Sounds like you are all set to start making some great prints.

SD3 w/ mods:
Glass bed with QU-BD heat pad upgrade, threadless ballscrew w/ 8mm smooth rod, spectra line belt replacement, lawsy MK5 extruder, Lawsy replacement carriage, E3D hotend, Ramps 1.4 w/ reprap discount controller, DRV8825 drivers, 12v 30A PS, Acrylic case, Overkill Y-idlers, Filament alarm, Extruder fan + more.

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Re: Things to know before you buy...

Just had my second clog sad. I'm not sure if I'm running at too high temperature (don't have an IR temp meter). Lowered extruder to 185 degrees and so far it is fine. Just found out that PID tuning for the Mac is slightly different from the PC... Also melted my x-carriage a little bit because I mounted the heating block 180 degrees reversed. Updated my first post.

Another little learning experience I had: Never dry to clean out a stock nozzle over your gas stove (even if your fan is on). All of the sudden the plastic inside the barrel started burring and produced hundreds of little ash particles that started to float all over my place. When trying to clean those ash particles up, they smear and are almost impossible to get off white surfaces.

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The most important thing you have to know before buying a 3d printer is:

buy 2 or more at the same time!

not because they break, but because they are slow! just started a 4 hour print, and i got the larger parts yet to do. gonna be a long night. haha

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Updated my list: Found bed temp of 85 degrees to be best, and had no more clogs after lowering the extruder temp from 195 to 185. Added enclosure and glass bed (w/ hairspray) which fixed my warping issues.
Had a hard time to change the default dumping coordinates and default extruder temperature. Changing them in the preference tab didn't work. Found out that you need to change the G-Code in the advanced slicer setting.

Does anybody know how to do a pid tuning of the bed heater?

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Re: Things to know before you buy...

Its in the line in Configuration_adv.h that you need to edit as a comment at the end of the section, under "Make your own!" ...

Its from memory M303 E1 S90 C8 .....

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Some other useful things I found out: In my printer the original solidoodle filament printed best at 185 degrees. I then switched to octave.com (cheap and very good customer service), and I found out that it needs to be printer at 195 degrees, else the extruder has to push too hard to get it trough the nozzle and might skip. The new filament seems to bond better and has also a glossier look smile

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bump for new users

SD3 w/ mods:
Glass bed with QU-BD heat pad upgrade, threadless ballscrew w/ 8mm smooth rod, spectra line belt replacement, lawsy MK5 extruder, Lawsy replacement carriage, E3D hotend, Ramps 1.4 w/ reprap discount controller, DRV8825 drivers, 12v 30A PS, Acrylic case, Overkill Y-idlers, Filament alarm, Extruder fan + more.