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Topic: Des anyone actually get consistant prints with their printer?

I'm feeling sorry for myself and need some motivation not to chuck my printer in the bin!

I've had my printer a couple of weeks and i probably spend more time waiting for the bed to warm up or reprinting prints that fall off or re configering the distane from the bed then actually printing.

I am just curious if this is just part of the so called challenge of this new technology or is it just me?

After going through a period of every print sticking fine all of a sudden nothing sticks despite everything being exactly as before (so i can tell) grrr

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Re: Des anyone actually get consistant prints with their printer?

My prints are pretty consistent, and accurate to within a thousandth or two. That said I'm pretty comfortable on the design and mechanical ends of my strengths. The software, on the other hand, is a daily learning experience and opportunity zone of major growth. I am constantly learning new and better ways to slice and operate the software (rh and slic3r) from other members on this forum. My advice is to keep at it. Follow the advice on this forum. Perform all the calibrations on soliwiki, etc. Do all the mechanical upgrades most talked about, lubricate, add fans, and keep tinkering with those software settings. If I can do it, anybody can do it.

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I've had the same trouble with bad prints on occasion. However, I started printing an 11 hour print Saturday with great success. I then followed it up with an 11 hour print on Sunday, 2 small jobs on Monday and an 8 hour Monday night, all with success. I found that if I keep printing continuously, my prints turn out better than if I print something, and power down the printer for a couple days. I am not sure if there is a correlation, but that is my observation so far. All the prints were from a brand new roll of filament with a hot end temp at 195 and bed temp of 95. The bed is level and heating fairly evenly. When I first got my printer, I would turn it off after every use and unplug the USB connection. Now, I am more consistantly leaving everything on with the heaters (bed and Hot end) shut off. I start heating the bed, then slice my model. When the bed reaches about 80 degrees, I turn on the hot end heater. By the time my bed hits about 90 degrees, the hot end is ready, then I start my print.

As far as the sticking goes, I use acetone on my kapton tape after a few prints to keep it tacky. I also change the tape on occasion to give it a fresh surface. I purchased a roll of 3" wide Kapton when I first bought the printer so I have a seam in the middle of my bed but that doesn't bother me. I also apply the tape with the bed warmed up so it goes on smoother.

SD2
E3D V6
MK5 V6

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Re: Des anyone actually get consistant prints with their printer?

My printer has been pretty cooperative since I got it Friday. Did a little fooling to update RH/Slic3r while keeping the default settings, but that's about the only change (Slic3r was crashing on a .stl I wanted to print, but the newer version was able to slice it just fine). About two dozen prints in and I haven't yet had to adjust the bed height or anything of the sort. I did have one or two prints come loose, but the contact surface area was extremely low, just a few lines - that was more my seeing how far I could push the printer than anything.

One thing I have been doing that seems to help a little is printing a small disc about the size of a quarter before going into a major print - I think it helps to get everything loosened and warmed before going into a major job, otherwise I notice the first layer or two might be a bit off.

The only difference in print consistency I've noticed was a bit of an improvement with the upgrade to the newest Slic3r, I was getting some strange diagonal lines on some prints (consistently), but that's stopped with the update.

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I think it's a part of the new technology. These 3D printers are for people with technical know-how still.

My bed does take a while to warm up. I've seen a few tips for that though. I know a full enclosure helps, and the enclosure I'm building still lacks a top.

I've seen a suggestion of simply laying a sheet of cork over the bed while you are initially heating to speed up the heating time. That seems like it would be a quick and easy fix. I notice a big improvement when the bed is fully warmed up. The room temperature makes a big difference for me. The room I'm printing is sometimes down to 15 degrees. When the heating's on it gets up to temperature faster.

Most of the problems I had with things not sticking went away when the bed was at temperature. Most. Not all.
I've yet to try getting a glass bed, or the hairspray trick, or the ABS/Acetone slurry, but those seem like initial things to try if sticking is an issue when you've got to temperature.

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Since the prints have stopped sticking, have you cleaned the bed with acetone? My prints started sticking better, also, make some sort of enclosure to keep the heat in, that helps tons!

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Just tried the cork layer trick.
Here is my temperature ramp without the cork:

http://s22.postimg.org/bt0fecowx/solidoodle_temperature_ramp.png

And with the cork layer:

http://s4.postimg.org/3rfox7n2l/solidoodle_temperature_ramp_with_cork.png

As you can see, it does really make a difference right at the end, but still takes about 20 minutes to heat up.

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https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1786359/Photo%20May%2021%2C%202%2003%2048%20PM.jpg

28 hoppers, 4 failed prints. I'm okay with it. The QU-BD hotend kinda sucks though, as evidenced by the oozing on some of the earlier prints.

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I have made over $100 selling name plaques, and now fan grills printed on my printer.  they are very consistant and had good luck with the printer, now that its tweaked in.

http://pdxmc.com/uploads/SD3/20130516_155149.jpg

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nice work.

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How much hairspray should i be using? Does it make a difference applying to cold or hot glass? What available replacement hot ends are there? And replacement beds?

Cheers

Really appreciate the photos etc... Really restored my hopes! Elmoret love the extruder by the way I was selling it to our hackspace community last week.

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I apply a single layer of hairspray to my hot glass. It should be like you are spray painting the glass. You want even coverage but no puddles. a quick once over usually works. You will get your own routine. Search keyword replacement hotend in the forums and you will get plenty of answers. The long and short of it is, pretty much anything that fits maker ware.jhead is popular.

SD3 w/ mods:
Glass bed with QU-BD heat pad upgrade, threadless ballscrew w/ 8mm smooth rod, spectra line belt replacement, lawsy MK5 extruder, Lawsy replacement carriage, E3D hotend, Ramps 1.4 w/ reprap discount controller, DRV8825 drivers, 12v 30A PS, Acrylic case, Overkill Y-idlers, Filament alarm, Extruder fan + more.

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Re: Des anyone actually get consistant prints with their printer?

I have had very good consistency with my prints.  I typically do the following on a weekly basis:

- Bed Leveling
- Clean Kapton with acetone(I don't use glass or hairspray)
- Inspect belts cables, connections, and carriage

For general printing:
- Always use 3-4 mm brim
- NEVER let the nozzle stand hot without extruding
- Always print with an enclosure

Seems to be working great.  Have had the SD2 since November...haven't changed the Kapton yet!

Hang in there!  You will get this dialed in and ultimately you will be focusing more on your designs!

SD2 - Stock - Enclosure - Heated Bed - Glass Plate - Auto Fire Extinguisher
Ord Bot Hadron - RAMPS 1.4 - Bulldog XL - E3D v6 - 10" x 10" PCB Heated Build w/SSR - Glass Plate
Thanks for All of Your Help!

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Re: Des anyone actually get consistant prints with their printer?

What would really help if i could get the nozzle distance set correctly from the bed. I need something like a set of sparkplug gauges. I'm using a business card but its ht and miss.

I turned it on tonight for the first time in a few days and it printed ok but peeled of on layer 5 which is far more successful then previous attempts

I've ordered a new e3d hotend and will get a qu-bd heated bed ordered. And build an enclosure!

Thanks again

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Business card is too thick!

Try a dollar bill or something similar.  You want the bed to be about .1mm or 0.003" to 0.004" from the nozzle.  Also make sure the nozzle end is fairly clean of debris.  The nozzle should just "bite" the dollar bill a bit when you slide it around.

SD2 - Stock - Enclosure - Heated Bed - Glass Plate - Auto Fire Extinguisher
Ord Bot Hadron - RAMPS 1.4 - Bulldog XL - E3D v6 - 10" x 10" PCB Heated Build w/SSR - Glass Plate
Thanks for All of Your Help!

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Ok cheers will adjust and retry tomorrow

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perhaps i've been absent from 3d printing forums for too long that i missed the part where people stopped printing on painters tape.

when i built my first mendel over a year ago i started out printing with masking tape on glass. some brands work better than others. in particular, the u-line dark blue stuff works the best.
of course i do the calibration and bed leveling, but to this day i've always had the best bed adhesion with painters tape. PLA sticks better on smooth heated surfaces, but ABS are more tricky.

Other surfaces i've tried - plain glass, kapton, bare aluminum.. tried all of them heated and unheated.

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Staffordknot wrote:

I'm feeling sorry for myself and need some motivation not to chuck my printer in the bin!

I'm right there with you.  I got my SD3 in February, the hot end died in less than 10 days, just after  I realized part of my printing problem was the horrible z-wobble (the frame actually bows and buckles as the z axis moves).   It wasn't until mid-march that I got the replacement hot end to install.  By then I just wanted to get it working, and decided to ignore the z wobble for a bit.  I ended up switching to PLA by April, since my heated bed heats unevenly enough that one side melts, just to get this thing to print anything larger than a nickle without delaminating. 

I had to take a break to save my sanity, and just came back to it last night.  One acceptable print (not good, just acceptable) done, I decided to try ABS again, since I bought two rolls from SD with the printer.  I've got two badly warped first-five-layers of the print, and one spaghetti monster from five attempts today (some I had to kill within seconds they were so bad).

I'm thinking a 3d printing users-group may be my savior at this point.

Do you know of any that meet near you?  Maybe they could help you?