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solidoodlesupport wrote:
lawsy wrote:

Previously you guys mentioned us testing the new aluminium platform, is there still the opportunity to purchase one?

All beds are now of the metal variety. The metal bed should be available in the store soon. We are working out shipping details.

Would we be able to trade in the wooden beds for a discount on buying the new aluminum ones?

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stormclad wrote:
solidoodlesupport wrote:
lawsy wrote:

Previously you guys mentioned us testing the new aluminium platform, is there still the opportunity to purchase one?

All beds are now of the metal variety. The metal bed should be available in the store soon. We are working out shipping details.

Would we be able to trade in the wooden beds for a discount on buying the new aluminum ones?

Sadly, no. The wooden ones don't have much value for reuse. Great idea though.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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stormclad wrote:
solidoodlesupport wrote:
lawsy wrote:

Previously you guys mentioned us testing the new aluminium platform, is there still the opportunity to purchase one?

All beds are now of the metal variety. The metal bed should be available in the store soon. We are working out shipping details.

Would we be able to trade in the wooden beds for a discount on buying the new aluminum ones?


I'd be interested in it.

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solidoodlesupport wrote:
stormclad wrote:
solidoodlesupport wrote:

All beds are now of the metal variety. The metal bed should be available in the store soon. We are working out shipping details.

Would we be able to trade in the wooden beds for a discount on buying the new aluminum ones?

Sadly, no. The wooden ones don't have much value for reuse. Great idea though.

Also would you be selling these for the solidoodle 2 and 3?

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I'm also interested in beta testing, especially parts I could print myself.  Single parent + full time student = very little spare change unfortunately.

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stormclad wrote:
solidoodlesupport wrote:
stormclad wrote:

Would we be able to trade in the wooden beds for a discount on buying the new aluminum ones?

Sadly, no. The wooden ones don't have much value for reuse. Great idea though.

Also would you be selling these for the solidoodle 2 and 3?

All current SD2s and SD3s are going out with the aluminum platform.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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I would also be interested in testing out new stuff.

That being said, it might be better if new designs (printable parts) are sent to the testers so they can print them, maybe Solidoodle could send a free spool (a small one perhaps). That should help keep shipping costs down.

A few sugestions for improvements:

- Smaller extruder assembly, smaller motor perhaps.
- New extruder carriage (with a linear bearing for the back rail)
- Move the X limit switch onto the side of the extruder to keep that wire out of the way.
- Add a extruder fan duct, make it a standard feature perhaps?
- change the way the guide rods are attached to the frame, hose clamps are cheap... too cheap!
- How about an on/off switch for the power suply?

Ive got a bunch more ideas, even working on some right now.

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well said!

Briggs wrote:

I would like to see Solidoodle beta test a new way to beta test. Or just realize the solicommunity has already done most of the work for them already.

The beauty of open source design (and this particular community) is that, regardless of official company support, the development of new and better things for the solidoodle continues. In this environment, you have hundreds of designers/hackers/tinkerers/engineers going at from all sorts of different angles. Even big companies that make 50,000 dollar printers may only have a few engineers on staff dedicated to improving their machines, maybe even less.

The first thing solidoodle could do to improve their machines right from the factory is to simply adopt the many awesome and essential mods already on the forum. I would hope some of their "beta" parts would include what I write about below. The spirit behind a company's beta testing program is to, eventually, improve their product. I would submit that not all improvements will need to go through much beta testing at all, and some can be adopted immediately, having already gone through the "beta" process. 

Here is my list of mods that should be on your machines right now, and in no particular order of importance.

1. 40mm fan shroud for controller. Use any design out there, they all work the same. They all work awesome. This mod is essential. If you're not going to add this to your machine, at least tell your customers to mount a Lasko to the rear end of your machine!

2. y-axis idler brackets. Don't use mine, use smitty50500's. He added bearings to my design and made them even better. (a great example of open source design's continuous improvement). Your brackets are weak, have poor alignment, flex, etc. Using a better design would get rid of hose clamps too, and save you money. And look better.

3. 30 to 40mm fan shroud for x-axis stepper motor. I'm using nlancaster's. Any will work great. This fan doesn't need to have a lot of cfm, just a bit is all it needs.

4. y-axis jack shaft bearings . The bushings are too hard to grease in this application, and bearings are only a dollar or two more than bushings. See the many posts on this forum. I know Smitty50500 was involved in this, but there were others too. I also think Smitty's rear pillow block bearing is essential for preventing the jack shaft from bending when you tighten the drive belt, which you need to do to completely get rid of the belt's backlash. On a related note, I think stepping up your y-axis drive pulleys to a larger diameter (more teeth) would make getting rid of backlash easier (requiring less belt tension too), and make the belts last longer. Not a must have, just a nice to have.

5. new extruder. Seems like eveybody and their mother-in-law is working on this one, including myself. Recent posts by meshmosh, lawsy, nlancaster, and others have highlighted areas of improvement in all aspects of the x-carriage and extruder assembly, as a whole.  My advice for Solidoodle is take all the current design's "opportunities", and throw them into a completely new assembly, including x-carriage.

That said, my design is derivative. It simply builds onto the existing x axis carriage and basic dimensions of the old unit. My design was specifically drawn to make it easy for almost anybody to upgrade their existing machine, and it accomplishes the four basic goals that were important to me.

a) easily remove hot end with filament still attached, but also includes a clamp to keep it rock solid,

b) has built in fan for cooling filament,

v )has built in fan for active cooling of PEEK barrel, and

d) has a rock solid mounting system for attaching accessories.

6. Include a small tube of white lithium grease with every unit you sell. And by the way, why not use white lithium at your factory during assembly?

7. higher amp heater bed. Enough said.

8. glass bed. This is what, 2 bucks at the craft store? Mine is a mirror and it looks really cool. Also include three paper binding clips to attach to bed. Low tech, works great. You wiill save money on the kapton. Your customers will no longer need to use acetone washes. Tell users to buy some Aquanet.

9. A list of steps each customer must follow before expecting a good print. This could be a single sheet of paper that directs them to your website and wiki. Make it a check box instruction manual. Calibrate extruder flow, check! Grease rods, check!. Adjust belt tension, check! Set baud right in RH, Check! Level bed, Check! Etc, Check!

The total hit to your machine's cost of goods sold for these improvements might total 50 bucks, and most of this cost would be for a better bed heater (20 to 30 bucks). I have no doubt customers will pay just a little bit more for your machine. Even after each and everyone of these changes your machine will remain affordable, and be truly "out of the box" ready for printing.

More importantly, the better your printer is, out of the box, the more we can all focus on improving the little things that go into making awesome 3d prints. I for one would like to read more about what cool things people are doing with their printers (like printing a full scale DB4!!!!), and focus less on getting my printer to work. Right now the forum is heavily focused on getting your machine up and running, because it needs to be. That's just where we're at in this moment in time.

I think Solidoodle has a great opportunity before them to make their machines much better. The strength of their brand is their willingness to remain open source in design, and executing better designs in a timely manner.

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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I wish the new SD4 case was what I got with my $200 upgrade on my SD2 with the top lift lid (needed for repairs and printing trouble fixes)

I dont need a bigger print surface than my SD2 for my use but still want many of the mods others have done to improve productivity.

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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I would love to take part in beta testing. Anything we can do to help make the product better is a win, win all around.

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theres already 4 pages of volenteers... but why not add me to that list as well smile id love to be a beta tester, i got nothing else to do so why not!?

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Briggs wrote:

I would like to see Solidoodle beta test a new way to beta test. Or just realize the solicommunity has already done most of the work for them already.

The beauty of open source design (and this particular community) is that, regardless of official company support, the development of new and better things for the solidoodle continues. In this environment, you have hundreds of designers/hackers/tinkerers/engineers going at from all sorts of different angles. Even big companies that make 50,000 dollar printers may only have a few engineers on staff dedicated to improving their machines, maybe even less.

The first thing solidoodle could do to improve their machines right from the factory is to simply adopt the many awesome and essential mods already on the forum. I would hope some of their "beta" parts would include what I write about below. The spirit behind a company's beta testing program is to, eventually, improve their product. I would submit that not all improvements will need to go through much beta testing at all, and some can be adopted immediately, having already gone through the "beta" process. 

Here is my list of mods that should be on your machines right now, and in no particular order of importance.

1. 40mm fan shroud for controller.

2. y-axis idler brackets. 

3. 30 to 40mm fan shroud for x-axis stepper motor.

4. y-axis jack shaft bearings .

5. new extruder.

6. Include a small tube of white lithium grease with every unit you sell.

7. higher amp heater bed.

8. glass bed

9. A list of steps each customer must follow before expecting a good print.


I think Solidoodle has a great opportunity before them to make their machines much better. The strength of their brand is their willingness to remain open source in design, and executing better designs in a timely manner.

I've had my SD3 for approximately 6 months now and in that time I've implemented just about everything on the list above. Much of the improvements were driven by the fact that out of the box my particular SD printed like crap and some of the factory printed pieces looked like they were made by a 10 year old with a hand held extruder! At this point I have not only replaced all of the factory printed pieces with open source designs found on Thingiverse, many of those I have taken a step or two further to make them stronger, better, whatever...

The information on how to get a good print I found mostly here on this forum and some of the improvements I implemented I found out later, also here on this forum, that others had already done. As it stands right now my SD3 has a full Lexan enclosure (I'd buy the fancy SD4 case if it were available as an upgrade, hint, hint...), everything that slides on a rail is now supported by custom carriages on linear bearings derived from the originals found on Thingiverse, and all shafts that spin are now spinning in ball bearings, including the idler pulley shaft for the X carriage.

The factory extruder sits in the parts box while the work is now done by an E3D which IMO is probably the best one available at the moment. Taking it a step further I also modified the extruder block parts available on the 'net to be more E3D friendly, holding both the extruder and its fan snugly in place. As part of this upgrade cycle I also changed every pulley in the machine to a 16 tooth GT2 with corresponding belts, giving the SD3 a resolution of 100 steps/mm on both X and Y axis.

The stock power supply is a joke, my laptop has a better P/S and it doesn't use nearly the amps the SD does. What I did find was that by turning on PID for the bedtemp AND upgrading the main power supply to a 350 watt unit the stock bed heater worked MUCH better, coming up to temp in about 1/2 the time or less that it took out of the box. Still, the aluminum bed (warped slightly) with Kapton just didn't cut it. When I finally took a look and saw the factory bed heater only covers roughly 3/4 or less of the underside I fixed all that with a QU-BD 8 x 8 pad topped with 1/4 inch plates of tempered glass custom cut at the local glass shop.

The Xcarriage motor now has its own cooling fan and there is a 30mm fan with shroud attached to the X carriage assembly and Gcode controlled for print cooling.

So, in other words, my SD3 now bears little resemblance to what I originally removed from the box 6 months ago. The upside is I learned a huge amount about 3D printing in the process and the SD3 now delivers fantastic looking prints reliably and consistently, it is truly now a hit run and walk away proposition to print anything, small or large.

Some of the things I've done came with a cost that would certainly add to the price of the machine from the factory but after seeing the night and day difference from the original prints to what I get now, I would gladly have paid the price to be at this point from the start, crash course in 3D printing and how the printers work not withstanding...

To sum it up, the community is already doing R & D as others have noted and the improvements work!

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Any mods they adopt will have a clear benefit to the company, more than to the user.  The new extruder suits both, because it is much simpler to manufacture and assemble, and makes it much easier to service the hot end.  They switched to a .4 nozzle to reduce clogging which was one of the biggest problems.  The bed leveling thumbwheels is another adoption of user mods.  It would make sense for them to add glass, because that would reduce the #1 complaint of prints not sticking and possibly make things easier for the support people.

So far they put their efforts into the case which was an absolute necessity for the Solidoodle as a consumer product.  Can you imagine what the SD3 would have looked like at CES next to the new Makerbots?  Or on the shelf at a retail store?  Now that is done, hopefully they can work on functional and quality improvements.

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Like so many others,I would be interested in beta testing

S2 , E3d hotend,glass bed, stock otherwise,vista

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tx-rogue wrote:

Like so many others,I would be interested in beta testing

We will be doing software beta testing going on into the next months. Look forward to some invites in the near future.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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I also am interested in beta testing as well:D

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Would be interested in Beta testing

we have been plugging away with flimsydoodle 2, the most delicate 3D printer ever made :-)

Free shipping for parts and at least cost prices is a standard with beta testing, usually they provide free of charge.

Russell Kjell Coffield EngTech CTech
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