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Topic: Solidoodle Calibration Requirements

So, after a long wait I finally got my SD3 last week. Unpacked it, installed the software, and hooked it up.

But my first tries failed for various reasons.

  • The heat bed wasn't aligned with the print head

  • Too much plastic were extruded, making the sides uneven/wobbly

  • The print head was so close to the heat bed, it snagged the printout and pulled it away

  • The printout got skewed, the corners rose from the heat bed

The first problem, I can understand. Mechanical parts are shaken around during transport.

But the other problems?

Is it really OK to assume that the end user can and/or want to calibrate various parts of the printer? Some calibrations that, according to the Wiki, requires to change source code? With a program that isn't included in the default software installation?

The Solidoodle page on SD3 claims:

As anyone who has assembled a 3D printer from a kit can tell you - the process can be overwhelming... taking weeks and even months before you can even print your first object. At Solidoodle, we take the hassle out of 3D printing by shipping every machine fully assembled and ready to print -- right out of the box.

I would say that we're far from that.

Or am I wrong?

    Mats

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No you are not wrong. I understand they are "getting" there and have come a long way, however the statements on their webpage is still a lie at this point.

Smitty

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They insist that they do a test print on every unit before it goes out and that, therefore, it is calibrated when it leaves the factory.  I find it a little hard to believe that all of the ways mine wasn't calibrated and needed modding or calibration could all have come from a little jostling when shipping.

I found it pretty surprising that I couldn't even approach a successful print without an enclosure and a glass bed, for instance, and while they insist they can do prints with a stock machine, they don't even try to explain what's different about their environment and tests that lets them do what so many of us can't even approach.

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I could see the spot on my bed where they did a test print. However, my SD3 arrived missing the power cord and the extruder fan was wired reverse causing the fan to fry. I was prepared for both. Already had an upgraded power supply and a few 40mm fans. I have dial indicators, machining equipment, glues, hardware, electronics, solder irons, ect. I do this kind of stuff all the time. But thats me and I read alot on the forums before my purchase and knew what I was getting into for my $800.00 purchase.

For the normal guy that wants to "print right out of the box" He is in for lots of
headachs.

Smitty

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fischelbyxa wrote:

So, after a long wait I finally got my SD3 last week. Unpacked it, installed the software, and hooked it up.

But my first tries failed for various reasons.

  • The heat bed wasn't aligned with the print head

  • Too much plastic were extruded, making the sides uneven/wobbly

  • The print head was so close to the heat bed, it snagged the printout and pulled it away

  • The printout got skewed, the corners rose from the heat bed

The first problem, I can understand. Mechanical parts are shaken around during transport.

But the other problems?

Is it really OK to assume that the end user can and/or want to calibrate various parts of the printer? Some calibrations that, according to the Wiki, requires to change source code? With a program that isn't included in the default software installation?

The Solidoodle page on SD3 claims:

As anyone who has assembled a 3D printer from a kit can tell you - the process can be overwhelming... taking weeks and even months before you can even print your first object. At Solidoodle, we take the hassle out of 3D printing by shipping every machine fully assembled and ready to print -- right out of the box.

I would say that we're far from that.

Or am I wrong?

    Mats

A likely candidate for most of these problems (tip hitting the print, print lifting off etc...) would be improper Z-tab calibration. It is common for the Z-tab to be knocked out of alignment in shipping, and many users have trouble aligning it the first time.

Most of this would be solved by achieving better adhesion. Some adhesion tips:

1) Insure that your Z-tab is properly calibrated http://wiki.solidoodle.com/first-layers … e-z-offset
2) Insure that your print bed is achieving proper heat (85-95)
3) Make sure that cooling sources (fans, air conditioners) are not pointed at the print surface
4) Failing all of this, try lightly sanding your Kapton tape. This increases surface area and helps adhesion.
5) Failing this, apply a sticking agent. Many of our users prefer to use:
    a) Hairspray (aquanet is a favorite)
    b) Glue, including mucilage based solutions
    c) ABS glue (ABS dissolved in acetone)
6) You may also want to clean your bed with acetone prior to printing, removing any dirt that could be affecting the print.
7) Many of our users enjoy the performance upgrades that setting a small pane of glass on top of the print bed can give. Heat is transferred very evenly through the glass, and it is cheaply obtained. You may want to consider this.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

6 (edited by LdyMox 2013-05-10 13:53:41)

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Now I am worried I am getting in over my head with the Solidoodle 2 (not here yet). I am technically inclined but I don't own a soldering gun and only used one twice in my life. I went the programming and not electrical route. I am not saying I couldn't do these things with instructions but it has me worried I will need to rewire the whole thing in the first few weeks and an expensive machine might not be the best to practice on. Are these faults common place or rare? I am not too worried about some tweaking here and there but major faults.



Smitty505000 wrote:

I could see the spot on my bed where they did a test print. However, my SD3 arrived missing the power cord and the extruder fan was wired reverse causing the fan to fry. I was prepared for both. Already had an upgraded power supply and a few 40mm fans. I have dial indicators, machining equipment, glues, hardware, electronics, solder irons, ect. I do this kind of stuff all the time. But thats me and I read alot on the forums before my purchase and knew what I was getting into for my $800.00 purchase.

For the normal guy that wants to "print right out of the box" He is in for lots of
headachs.

Smitty

Tammy
Solidoodle 2
E3Dv6 Hotend, MK5 v6 version, Glass Bed, Anti Z backlash slop nut, SureStepr SD8825 1/32 Extruder Driver, makeshift breakaway plexiglass case; . L-Cheapo 3.8 Watt Laser Attachment w/Custom built enclosure
From Buffalo, NY, USA

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LdyMox wrote:

Now I am worried I am getting in over my head with the Solidoodle 2 (not here yet). I am technically inclined but I don't own a soldering gun and only used one twice in my life. I went the programming and not electrical route. I am not saying I couldn't do these things with instructions but it has me worried I will need to rewire the whole thing in the first few weeks and an expensive machine might not be the best to practice on. Are these faults common place or rare? I am not too worried about some tweaking here and there but major faults.

You will not need to do any soldering. The only "physical" change needed is to calibrate the heat bed.

The rest is in software (code and/or configuration).

    Mats

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Smitty505000 wrote:

No you are not wrong. I understand they are "getting" there and have come a long way, however the statements on their webpage is still a lie at this point.

I bought the SD3 on that lie... :-(

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I saw the video on leveling the heatbed, seems simple in the video. I am going to make a cheap enclosure (magnets and Plexiglas or something), and the glass bed seems super easy.

I think my biggest problem will be time because work and all. Haha. I told my fiancée to be prepared to lose me for a few months after I get my 3D printer AKA Solidoodle 2 pro. tongue

Tammy
Solidoodle 2
E3Dv6 Hotend, MK5 v6 version, Glass Bed, Anti Z backlash slop nut, SureStepr SD8825 1/32 Extruder Driver, makeshift breakaway plexiglass case; . L-Cheapo 3.8 Watt Laser Attachment w/Custom built enclosure
From Buffalo, NY, USA

10 (edited by fischelbyxa 2013-05-10 14:21:48)

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solidoodlesupport wrote:

A likely candidate for most of these problems (tip hitting the print, print lifting off etc...) would be improper Z-tab calibration. It is common for the Z-tab to be knocked out of alignment in shipping, and many users have trouble aligning it the first time.

I did a Z-tab calibration before my first try. Even got myself a set of feeler gauges.

1 - 7) <List of things to do to enhance the adhesion>

Just goes to prove that "print out-of-the-box" is pretty far from true, doesn't it?

   Mats

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LdyMox wrote:

Now I am worried I am getting in over my head with the Solidoodle 2 (not here yet). I am technically inclined but I don't own a soldering gun and only used one twice in my life. I went the programming and not electrical route.

I'm in about the same place as you, I'm primarily a software guy.  Comfortable installing video cards, capable of tuning up a lawnmower, etc. but not at heart a tinkerer nor familiar with the lingo for 3D printers.  I do own a soldering iron but I'm nowhere near as savvy with it as the guys around here, and not comfortable enough to use it any time I have to get near the circuit board.

After a bit over a month with my SD3 I've been able to print a fair number of good stuff and do a few of my own designs.  I've done a bunch of calibrations and been frustrated a lot early on with instructions about "make sure it's not too loose or too tight" (so hard to get people to realize that that kind of instruction only helps if you already know how tight is "just right"), but I've been able to muddle through.  I haven't had to use the soldering iron (though as of yesterday, I may be getting to where I might have to).

So don't despair.  With only a bit of luck and a fair supply of tenacity I think you will be able to make it work.  I am hoping that, in time, I'll be positioning myself to be able to help with people of our tech savvy levels.  There is a wealth of material out there, but it's really not written or organized towards us -- so hopefully I'll be able to point you to the right bits, having found which ones are right the hard way.

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Maybe I'm the exception, I printed on the floor of my living room about 30 minutes after I got home from work, on the kapton, without an enclosure. Sure I had some lift in the corner and I soon learned that I was seriously over extruding. But I was printing. I printed a calibration cube and a die (one dice) with the sample filament. I calibrated the extruder with my first roll and printed a second die, big difference. I've since added the glass bed and the plexiglass enclosure. I've had my problems, but I did print out of the box, with no mods. It wasn't a perfect print, but I still have it and it's still pretty cool that it's something that I created in my living room. Of course the wife made me move it out of there the next day....

TiM

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Someone from Brooklyn lied?  C'mon, that's crazy talk.

Seriously, I'm running into the same problems.  I've spent two solid weekends and several other days calibrating the thing.  I'm still nowhere near close to printing a decent circle.

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Not sure if there is already one but, I think there should be a sticky somewhere on this. There's like a bunch of separate threads on this over and over again. Not that its annoying or anything because it's definitely a big problem with our printers that still isn't solved, but it is a bit repetitive. Probably should even get its own category since there are so many things that can get out of whack and need calibrating. Just a thought.

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Three weeks in and have had to adjust the Y axis right out of the box, probably happened in shipping. Loosened two set screws worked it re tightened set screws, 5 minutes. Leveled platform after two weeks, 5 minutes. Calibrated feed rate on extruder, 10 minutes. Power supply connector came loose from circuit board re soldered, 5 minutes, took me 10 minutes to find my soldering iron. All of the issues were covered in the Soliforum and what a great resource that is. This has been great FUN, each part finishes and I say " how cool is that"