1 (edited by AdamMcCallister 2013-04-29 22:57:01)

Topic: To Solidoodle, or Not to Solidoodle

After extensive and exhausting research I've come to the conclusion that this machine has the best features for the price, and I dont get to mess it up while putting it together. However, I've noticed several recurring issue.

The least reported would be computer problems, things I am confident I can fix.

The extruder, on the other hand, seems flawed by design? Not sure how common it is on other machines, but it seems a fair number of customers have had 0 support and broken machines arrive. The lack of a warranty (completely dumbfounded by that) only increases my concerns.

I feel a large portion of these users suffer from a lack of proper understanding of the device in order to properly maintain it, however. A large number of used lower than recommended temps for bed and hotend, which causes the obvious problem. Im also seeing a lot of feeding/motor issues having been posted, and Im curious if it is because of the way it is designed.

Its listed as having a spring to feed the extruder, correct? If that fails (which is common experience with springs, for me at least) then I can see why more would get clogged; it would be solidify in sections and burn in others, double clog. This would be an issue Im not sure how I would approach fixing, if it exists. Im well versed in mechanics and machine design, so I think I could fix a broken most things, but this concerns me.

Also not really an issue, but the wait time is lengthy. If I wait 8 weeks and get a broken printer without any support... I can't imagine what I could do to recover my losses. I'm an engineering student in my third year wanting the Solidoodle for prototyping and accurate, mechanical pieces that simply can't be found in the plumbing section of Lowes Hardware, and I consider my purchase of a printer to be an investment, something financially positive in the long term.

I believe those are all of my concerns. If any experienced users, and preferably Mr. Johnson himself, have any advice, recommendations, and point me towards known flaws and solutions.

ps I love what you guys are doing, whether I purchase from you all or not, you guys have a GREAT business strategy. Completely fits perfectly in the niche of consumer quality/price.

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Also, loving this community. The Hacks and Mods section really convinces me to go with the solidoodle. Im hoping to be convinced soon enough so I can type in my Credit Card before tonight's end.

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Reliability
Support
Quality Prints
Price

Choose any two (you can choose three if you are willing to spend $20k)

It's an $800 printer. All the info you need to make a decision is here. Search around a bit. What swung me wasn't the printer, it was the community/message board. Lots of innovation going on here.

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I went through the same debate.  Slept on it and bought the next day (April 6th).  The "orders shipping" thread makes it look like the current average time to ship is about 5-6 weeks so I should have mine in a week or two.

I certainly expect the occasional headache getting it to work just right but this forum has given me the confidence that whatever might break can be fixed and I can ask questions till my hearts content (search first).

I've done CAD for years and have been getting used to Creo Elements (free) recently in preparation for making models.

I do however need to go through the threads and gather all of the "getting started" stuff I can find - including the mandatory "print these parts first in case something breaks"

Between your own work and the forum...potential upgrades are nearly limitless...and the price is essentially unbeatable.

Hope you enjoy your (soon-to-be-ordered) solidoodle.  We'll be around if you need anything.

-DGT

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have you any idea as to the mechanism that feeds the filament?

And aye... this is the ak47 of printers, it seems. Did you see the guy who made it print 0.05mm!? Thats epic.

Also now worried about buying a heating bed, if 87 is max temp. That doesnt seem high enough.

And elmoret, which would you say Solidoodle has of those?

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AdamMcCallister wrote:

Also now worried about buying a heating bed, if 87 is max temp. That doesnt seem high enough.

I've had my SD3 since last Thursday, and I can confirm that the bed temperature exceeds 87C.  I'm currently running it at 95C, but I haven't tried to push it any higher.

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I would be getting the SD2. can't afford the extra 200$ and wont be able to for a while. According to a post from the support forum they changed it. not sure if thats just sd2 or they changed it back or what.

Thank you for the quick replies. if nothing more the community seems more accessible and useful with Solidoodle

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AdamMcCallister wrote:

have you any idea as to the mechanism that feeds the filament?

And aye... this is the ak47 of printers, it seems. Did you see the guy who made it print 0.05mm!? Thats epic.

Also now worried about buying a heating bed, if 87 is max temp. That doesnt seem high enough.

And elmoret, which would you say Solidoodle has of those?

I'll leave the filament feeder details to someone more experienced - same with the new bed but it seems ok so far.  Yup - have to say that 0.05mm is my eventual goal after I get success with normal resolutions.  I'm not sure if the SD2's are getting the new bed or not - haven't heard any news on that one.

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AdamMcCallister wrote:

I would be getting the SD2. can't afford the extra 200$ and wont be able to for a while. According to a post from the support forum they changed it. not sure if thats just sd2 or they changed it back or what.

Thank you for the quick replies. if nothing more the community seems more accessible and useful with Solidoodle

If I had to do it all over again, I'd get the SD2 w/o heated bed ($499) and then upgrade the power supply ($25) and add the QU-BD heated bed ($25) plus glass plate ($5).

10 (edited by AdamMcCallister 2013-04-29 23:56:55)

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I cant even imagine all the possibilities.

Also Ive spent forever trying to find Solidoodle printed screws/threading, or a suggestion of a workaround. as said this is for prototyping and inventing, screws will be needed, and im having trouble finding anything relevant.

Searching gives a million false positives with keywords "printed" "screw"


Elmoret, that is something I as well have been considering. Any possibility of links? Dont wanna get the wrong thing

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AdamMcCallister wrote:

And elmoret, which would you say Solidoodle has of those?

Quality prints and support (though the latter comes mostly from the forum)

They're pretty reliable once you get the userland upgrades:

glass bed with hairspray
mk3/mk4 extruder
enclosure

which all told, might cost $30 at Lowes.

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AdamMcCallister wrote:

I cant even imagine all the possibilities.

Also Ive spent forever trying to find Solidoodle printed screws/threading, or a suggestion of a workaround. as said this is for prototyping and inventing, screws will be needed, and im having trouble finding anything relevant.

Searching gives a million false positives with keywords "printed" "screw"


Elmoret, that is something I as well have been considering. Any possibility of links? Dont wanna get the wrong thing

Why do you want to print threads?

QU-BD only sells one 6" heated bed
Any powersupply with 12v and at least 18A will do fine. I got a 12v 41a powersupply for $12 (converted a server PSU).
Any glass is fine, I think mine's 1/8" thick

13 (edited by AdamMcCallister 2013-04-30 00:02:09)

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Does the powersupply not need some proprietary adapter or something? Ive no experience with that. I have several psu's lying around though, i think at least.

Oh and threads are for screws and nuts and stuff. Itd just be nice if it can (not expecting perfection and my friend and I have been contemplating on alternatives to threaded screws so i think we can get it)

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Only legitimate problems for ordering a new Solidoodle in my opinion are:

1. Rubbish cheap heating resistors failing - Super cheap to replace yourself if you can solder, order them to have on standby.
2. Rubbish cheap connectors failing - Again, cheap and easy to fix if you can solder/crimp.
3. New bed resistor limited to a very slow heatup and 87deg - This is a deal breaker for me unless someone was confident enough to change it over straight away.
4. Questionable support from Solidoodle - They seem to get there eventually, but users are more likely to find timely advice on the forums, especially if they search.
5. Fragile/fiddly jigsaw extruder - print a free replacement as your first print.

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Thank you lawsy! That was my conclusion, and to see someone Ive noticed with a plethora of positive posts agree, I'm about pretty well convinced it will be fine. I'm not so worried about support after lurking through solidoodlesupport's posts. They know they are a business and need to serve, just lacking in manpower. Im fine with that for the price.

Would you recommend crafting my own bed as well then?

16 (edited by elmoret 2013-04-30 00:25:31)

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AdamMcCallister wrote:

Does the powersupply not need some proprietary adapter or something? Ive no experience with that. I have several psu's lying around though, i think at least.

Oh and threads are for screws and nuts and stuff. Itd just be nice if it can (not expecting perfection and my friend and I have been contemplating on alternatives to threaded screws so i think we can get it)

http://www.soliforum.com/topic/1185/pow … 0w-for-12/

Plastic doesn't hold threads well. Most people model a hole and use a screw, or drop a nut in.

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AdamMcCallister wrote:

After extensive and exhausting research I've come to the conclusion that this machine has the best features for the price, and I dont get to mess it up while putting it together. However, I've noticed several recurring issue.

The least reported would be computer problems, things I am confident I can fix.

The extruder, on the other hand, seems flawed by design? Not sure how common it is on other machines, but it seems a fair number of customers have had 0 support and broken machines arrive. The lack of a warranty (completely dumbfounded by that) only increases my concerns.

I feel a large portion of these users suffer from a lack of proper understanding of the device in order to properly maintain it, however. A large number of used lower than recommended temps for bed and hotend, which causes the obvious problem. Im also seeing a lot of feeding/motor issues having been posted, and Im curious if it is because of the way it is designed.

Its listed as having a spring to feed the extruder, correct? If that fails (which is common experience with springs, for me at least) then I can see why more would get clogged; it would be solidify in sections and burn in others, double clog. This would be an issue Im not sure how I would approach fixing, if it exists. Im well versed in mechanics and machine design, so I think I could fix a broken most things, but this concerns me.

Also not really an issue, but the wait time is lengthy. If I wait 8 weeks and get a broken printer without any support... I can't imagine what I could do to recover my losses. I'm an engineering student in my third year wanting the Solidoodle for prototyping and accurate, mechanical pieces that simply can't be found in the plumbing section of Lowes Hardware, and I consider my purchase of a printer to be an investment, something financially positive in the long term.

I believe those are all of my concerns. If any experienced users, and preferably Mr. Johnson himself, have any advice, recommendations, and point me towards known flaws and solutions.

ps I love what you guys are doing, whether I purchase from you all or not, you guys have a GREAT business strategy. Completely fits perfectly in the niche of consumer quality/price.

I will say support has been better lately, shipping has been greatly sped up and the newest hot end they sent me has been working great (Day 5), I honestly think they are making an effort and are showing improvements. And I will say despite the frustrations they have always taken care of the issues.

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May I ask what you all use your printer for?

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kkciampa wrote:

I will say support has been better lately, shipping has been greatly sped up and the newest hot end they sent me has been working great (Day 5), I honestly think they are making an effort and are showing improvements. And I will say despite the frustrations they have always taken care of the issues.


Anything look different about yours compared to the other hot ends? and how long till you gotyours, then. not gonna lie the 6-8 weeks was almost a nodeal, until I realized there arent many options in my price range.

Also been thinking about picking up a CNC at some point, if anyone has one theyd recommend that would be appreciated as well, albeit a bit off topic


Im still debating on heated bit standard or making one, but once that is discussed with my partner Im definitely going to get one.

huge Thank you to everyone who gave your opinion (and viewed. that number grew quick, which really surprised me as to how active this place is.) and directed me towards all these cool things, especially a cheap psu. ones i found were not so pleasantly priced.

Also, I think I could get a ceramic tile for free and would work better so Ill get that and the element and psu and be set.

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This is the approach I went for:

http://www.soliforum.com/topic/1819/hea … isonsstls/

You can see from the graphs in that thread how bad the new 87deg heating pad is. I went with the custom PCB but the QU-BD bed was very similar. If you print the parts in that thread, it becomes fairly straightforward to do the upgrade.

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Honestly, if $600 is beginning to stretch your budget, you probably want to wait a while on the CNC deal.  Would you be aiming for a mill or router?  Anyway...way too many options to discuss here - check out www.cnczone.com forums and prepare to be flooded with millions of tiny details that 3D printers mostly avoid.  Realistic entry price range is $3000 to get cutting.

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kkciampa wrote:

I will say support has been better lately, shipping has been greatly sped up

Took them 3 weeks to ship two hotends I ordered in April.

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AdamMcCallister wrote:

May I ask what you all use your printer for?

Lately, manufacturing hoppers for this:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/833 … t-extruder

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elmoret wrote:
kkciampa wrote:

I will say support has been better lately, shipping has been greatly sped up

Took them 3 weeks to ship two hotends I ordered in April.


I know I had the same issue in April. I literally had it in 3 days after I called them. I'm not sure if it's the ranting posts or emails that I have sent in the past but the new hotend I got has a bigger resistor in it and a different thermal past holding it in place.

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Great thread guys! I ordered my Sd3 yesterday... I'm not sure if you have filled me with dread or satisfied my concerns haha.

Love the filastruder by the way! Kickstarter is an amazing resource and the people who invest in it!

It would be great if anyone could point me to a thread of first mods to make / spares to extrude or a list of threads?

Lawsy are you saying you wouldn't buy a s3?

Despite my worries over support from solidoodle it was THIS community and the generous people on it that convinced me to buy.

Thanks