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8/10 would participate

I edit my posts a lot.

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I would participate and I'm close enough to where Solidoodle is to bring them something if they want to observe it.
Though at this point I would need to buy a few parts to return my printer to stock as I've got unique mods on mine.

Danger: 'Addams Family' sense of humor.

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I would be happy to participate.

I also wish that Solidoodle would post new/revised/upgraded parts as they are released, so that current SD owners can consider whether to upgrade.  New hot ends and bed heaters are good examples.  Solidoodle should consider whether to offer discounts to current owners, their loyal fan base.

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+1 Would participate!

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3DPrinter4Life wrote:

You want to ban someone who is contributing their experience and ideas and trying to warn others... sure go ahead take the information away from the people.

No, I think people want to see you banned because you never actually add anything to the discussion, you troll everyone's threads with negative puke and are an all around Debby downer.

No trees were harmed in the creation of this email, though some electrons were horribly inconvenienced.

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I would be up for beta testing if there is still room.

Grand Rapids, Michigan
SD2 with Sanguinololu board, glass bed mod, E3d_v5 bowden version hotend (currently direct drive), Lawsy Mk5 jigsaw replacement, octopi printserver, drv8825(tiny troubles)

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I'd be up for being involved given I don't mind getting my hands dirty and have a pretty good understanding of electronics/mechanical stuff.

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Like the last time, plenty of people with their hands up but the thread has gone cold...

Is this going to be another false promise?

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lawsy wrote:

Like the last time, plenty of people with their hands up but the thread has gone cold...

Is this going to be another false promise?


You know they don't answer direct questions... geez...

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I thought this thread was just about an idea and they wanted to see how many users were interested and what they thought...

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It's the third time they've done it. Everyone puts their hand up and then they post an identical thread months later.

It would seem like common sense to not post the thread unless you were ready to implement, and certainly not three times.

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lawsy wrote:

It's the third time they've done it. Everyone puts their hand up and then they post an identical thread months later.

It would seem like common sense to not post the thread unless you were ready to implement, and certainly not three times.

Your skepticism is earned.

However, we do intend to do a beta test at some point. This latest feeler was over our upcoming printed extruder design. You haven't heard much about it, since we've decided to push things back a bit. We want to make sure whatever we are sending you is great.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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solidoodlesupport wrote:
lawsy wrote:

It's the third time they've done it. Everyone puts their hand up and then they post an identical thread months later.

It would seem like common sense to not post the thread unless you were ready to implement, and certainly not three times.

Your skepticism is earned.

However, we do intend to do a beta test at some point. This latest feeler was over our upcoming printed extruder design. You haven't heard much about it, since we've decided to push things back a bit. We want to make sure whatever we are sending you is great.

So, are we talking a variant of the MK4 to replace the jigsaw then? I might have missed the mentions earlier, & if I did, I apologize.

No trees were harmed in the creation of this email, though some electrons were horribly inconvenienced.

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iowajames wrote:
solidoodlesupport wrote:
lawsy wrote:

It's the third time they've done it. Everyone puts their hand up and then they post an identical thread months later.

It would seem like common sense to not post the thread unless you were ready to implement, and certainly not three times.

Your skepticism is earned.

However, we do intend to do a beta test at some point. This latest feeler was over our upcoming printed extruder design. You haven't heard much about it, since we've decided to push things back a bit. We want to make sure whatever we are sending you is great.

So, are we talking a variant of the MK4 to replace the jigsaw then? I might have missed the mentions earlier, & if I did, I apologize.

It is not related to the Lawsy's designs. Also, as a subtle indication of our culture - we try to avoid MK designations as they are used by some other 3D printer companies. If you guys would like to see a version system for parts (as I imagine you do) we will most likely not use MK designators.

There was a leak of some pictures during the last press event. We are investigating a quick change extruder set up.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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Previously you guys mentioned us testing the new aluminium platform, is there still the opportunity to purchase one?

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lawsy wrote:

Previously you guys mentioned us testing the new aluminium platform, is there still the opportunity to purchase one?

All beds are now of the metal variety. The metal bed should be available in the store soon. We are working out shipping details.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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Would you please describe this new "bed" more fully?  My original bed was metal, as was the new bed I purchased from you recently.  Are you saying that what was wooden previously is now metal?  I simply do not understand what the change was.

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Jon: that's what they mean - the wooden part is now metal.

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They are referring to the bed support now being metal as opposed to the laser cut wooden one that is dipped in a mystery coating.

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kkciampa wrote:

They are referring to the bed support now being metal as opposed to the laser cut wooden one that is dipped in a mystery coating.

Wood Glue, spray painted to a black "finish."

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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solidoodlesupport wrote:
kkciampa wrote:

They are referring to the bed support now being metal as opposed to the laser cut wooden one that is dipped in a mystery coating.

Wood Glue, spray painted to a black "finish."

Ah, I thought it was HCF coating.

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Coming late to the party but always up for some torture testing of new parts. If something happens then count me in.

SD3 w/ mods:
Glass bed with QU-BD heat pad upgrade, threadless ballscrew w/ 8mm smooth rod, spectra line belt replacement, lawsy MK5 extruder, Lawsy replacement carriage, E3D hotend, Ramps 1.4 w/ reprap discount controller, DRV8825 drivers, 12v 30A PS, Acrylic case, Overkill Y-idlers, Filament alarm, Extruder fan + more.

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I would do this smile

Tammy
Solidoodle 2
E3Dv6 Hotend, MK5 v6 version, Glass Bed, Anti Z backlash slop nut, SureStepr SD8825 1/32 Extruder Driver, makeshift breakaway plexiglass case; . L-Cheapo 3.8 Watt Laser Attachment w/Custom built enclosure
From Buffalo, NY, USA

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I would like to see Solidoodle beta test a new way to beta test. Or just realize the solicommunity has already done most of the work for them already.

The beauty of open source design (and this particular community) is that, regardless of official company support, the development of new and better things for the solidoodle continues. In this environment, you have hundreds of designers/hackers/tinkerers/engineers going at from all sorts of different angles. Even big companies that make 50,000 dollar printers may only have a few engineers on staff dedicated to improving their machines, maybe even less.

The first thing solidoodle could do to improve their machines right from the factory is to simply adopt the many awesome and essential mods already on the forum. I would hope some of their "beta" parts would include what I write about below. The spirit behind a company's beta testing program is to, eventually, improve their product. I would submit that not all improvements will need to go through much beta testing at all, and some can be adopted immediately, having already gone through the "beta" process. 

Here is my list of mods that should be on your machines right now, and in no particular order of importance.

1. 40mm fan shroud for controller. Use any design out there, they all work the same. They all work awesome. This mod is essential. If you're not going to add this to your machine, at least tell your customers to mount a Lasko to the rear end of your machine!

2. y-axis idler brackets. Don't use mine, use smitty50500's. He added bearings to my design and made them even better. (a great example of open source design's continuous improvement). Your brackets are weak, have poor alignment, flex, etc. Using a better design would get rid of hose clamps too, and save you money. And look better.

3. 30 to 40mm fan shroud for x-axis stepper motor. I'm using nlancaster's. Any will work great. This fan doesn't need to have a lot of cfm, just a bit is all it needs.

4. y-axis jack shaft bearings . The bushings are too hard to grease in this application, and bearings are only a dollar or two more than bushings. See the many posts on this forum. I know Smitty50500 was involved in this, but there were others too. I also think Smitty's rear pillow block bearing is essential for preventing the jack shaft from bending when you tighten the drive belt, which you need to do to completely get rid of the belt's backlash. On a related note, I think stepping up your y-axis drive pulleys to a larger diameter (more teeth) would make getting rid of backlash easier (requiring less belt tension too), and make the belts last longer. Not a must have, just a nice to have.

5. new extruder. Seems like eveybody and their mother-in-law is working on this one, including myself. Recent posts by meshmosh, lawsy, nlancaster, and others have highlighted areas of improvement in all aspects of the x-carriage and extruder assembly, as a whole.  My advice for Solidoodle is take all the current design's "opportunities", and throw them into a completely new assembly, including x-carriage.

That said, my design is derivative. It simply builds onto the existing x axis carriage and basic dimensions of the old unit. My design was specifically drawn to make it easy for almost anybody to upgrade their existing machine, and it accomplishes the four basic goals that were important to me.

a) easily remove hot end with filament still attached, but also includes a clamp to keep it rock solid,

b) has built in fan for cooling filament,

v )has built in fan for active cooling of PEEK barrel, and

d) has a rock solid mounting system for attaching accessories.

6. Include a small tube of white lithium grease with every unit you sell. And by the way, why not use white lithium at your factory during assembly?

7. higher amp heater bed. Enough said.

8. glass bed. This is what, 2 bucks at the craft store? Mine is a mirror and it looks really cool. Also include three paper binding clips to attach to bed. Low tech, works great. You wiill save money on the kapton. Your customers will no longer need to use acetone washes. Tell users to buy some Aquanet.

9. A list of steps each customer must follow before expecting a good print. This could be a single sheet of paper that directs them to your website and wiki. Make it a check box instruction manual. Calibrate extruder flow, check! Grease rods, check!. Adjust belt tension, check! Set baud right in RH, Check! Level bed, Check! Etc, Check!

The total hit to your machine's cost of goods sold for these improvements might total 50 bucks, and most of this cost would be for a better bed heater (20 to 30 bucks). I have no doubt customers will pay just a little bit more for your machine. Even after each and everyone of these changes your machine will remain affordable, and be truly "out of the box" ready for printing.

More importantly, the better your printer is, out of the box, the more we can all focus on improving the little things that go into making awesome 3d prints. I for one would like to read more about what cool things people are doing with their printers (like printing a full scale DB4!!!!), and focus less on getting my printer to work. Right now the forum is heavily focused on getting your machine up and running, because it needs to be. That's just where we're at in this moment in time.

I think Solidoodle has a great opportunity before them to make their machines much better. The strength of their brand is their willingness to remain open source in design, and executing better designs in a timely manner.

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+1 departedPrinter

The fact is,  in today's business, and especially with small businesses, you really need a good combination of community and business. I'd recommend some googling on co-creation. What Solidoodle is asking for is not a scam.

solidoodlesupport, I think the key for this would be to make sure those who help out get proper recognition. Free parts is nice but I'm sure there are cheap or free things you might do based on the contribution. Tshirts, a personal Email from Sam saying thanks, contests for beta participants, tours for those that are local, ABS and PLA samples, etc.

personally, I'd like to volunteer to test replacements for that puzzle of a extruder assembly smile

SD2, glass bed, MK5 setup with E3D lite extruder
NX and Solid Edge CAD user
PI, Galileo, and arduino hacker
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