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I like this suggestion a lot!  Perhaps that can be incorporated into a general troubleshooting document/Wiki.

solidoodlesupport wrote:

We can mock up a PDF chart of common tests that you may complete before contacting us. That would speed up the process by some degree.

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solidoodlesupport wrote:

Now imagine this scenario:
Customer decides on his own that he needs a resistor.
Customer doesn't want to go through trouble shooting.
Customer receives resistor, installs improperly.
Customers hot-end melts out.
Original, unrelated problem with wiring persists.
Customer blames solidoodle for slow support. Why didn't you know the problem before? Why did you give me yet another defective part?

Classic blame the customer tactic.

now imagine this scenario...

I decided on my own that i need a resistor.
I've already gone through the troubleshooting, that's why I know I'm need a resistor.
I email SD and they try to get me to go through all the BS because i'm the idiot and they know better. i feel insulted
I order resistor from somewhere else, make the repairs, printer works well again.
I conclude SD just puts me through that BS to deter people from asking for parts, and they don't care if my printer is working or not because they have my money already.

btw... thanks for nothing.

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Ghostling wrote:
solidoodlesupport wrote:

Now imagine this scenario:
Customer decides on his own that he needs a resistor.
Customer doesn't want to go through trouble shooting.
Customer receives resistor, installs improperly.
Customers hot-end melts out.
Original, unrelated problem with wiring persists.
Customer blames solidoodle for slow support. Why didn't you know the problem before? Why did you give me yet another defective part?

Classic blame the customer tactic.

now imagine this scenario...

I decided on my own that i need a resistor.
I've already gone through the troubleshooting, that's why I know I'm need a resistor.
I email SD and they try to get me to go through all the BS because i'm the idiot and they know better. i feel insulted
I order resistor from somewhere else, make the repairs, printer works well again.
I conclude SD just puts me through that BS to deter people from asking for parts, and they don't care if my printer is working or not because they have my money already.

btw... thanks for nothing.

I can see the point though... maybe you are qualified to identify and swap out a part.

but surely you agree that, not everyone is, and how do solidoodle know that you are?

on top of that the machines are supplied without warranty,
and if we're talking about a one dollar part then the question is why don't you swap it out yourself?


If you feel confident to identify the broken parts then put your money where your mouth is, and buy a new $1 resistor.
if you want to start talking to the company telling them that the machine broke and you expect them to provide the replacement parts, then you have to satisfy them that their returns criteria are met.


it's not a personal criticism, it's just saying, we all bough machines without warranty, solidoodle have been really good at providing additional services that they said that they wouldn't provide, free of charge, and sending out parts, free of charge.

all they are asking for this additional service is a little bit of your time, that helps them make sure that the right parts are sent out. (you may think that a $1 resistor isn't a big deal if you identified the wrong part. but when they have 500 people asking for a resistor that's half a grand that they are posting out.
and that time answering questions and returning parts also allows solidoodle to identify how and where their machines are breaking, allowing them to identify weak parts and weak design elements allowing them to improve the product.


I absolutely agree (given the stories) that the transactions need to be smoother, issues need to be better tracked, and people need to have their machines back up and working as quickly and smoothly as possible.

but just opening the stock room doors and sending out parts that are perceived as cheap without question just can't be the best way to do it!

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If 500 people are asking for a resistor that is a clear indication of a major issue. And they should recognize it with an easy solution not with a long drawn out process.

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But don't forget, there is...
a main board, a connector to the main board with two crimped connections, two conductors, with two crimped connections a plug to attach to that connector with a further two crimped connections, then another two wires before two solder joints and then a single resistor.


That's 20 individual places where a circuit could break. causing an infinite read, and a bunch of places where the circuit may short causing zero read on a meter.

If there are 500 people saying they need a new resistor how many thought to check in the right place, is that 500 broken resistors, or 500 failed crimps, an even mixture of both...

So I stand by what I said, just because 500 people all say the same thing, it doesn't mean that you shouldn't ask the right questions, and it doesn't mean that you shouldn't check, and make sure that what your customer tells you has been properly investigated.
it also doesn't mean you should be sending out thousands of dollars worth of parts for free either.

(so they want to supply a complete assembly, a quick look in the shop shows that this is a $12 retail part, so you're not saying send out 500 x 50c parts ($250), you're saying send out 500x $12 ($6k) of parts...


after that the support staff already pointed out. there are mounting considerations...

they say that you need to make sure that the resistor is mounted in the block properly, and thermal compounds correctly applied. Which is not surprising when you consider that a 3w resistor is being used as a >24w heater.
The resistor is having to deal with far more stress than it was ever designed for. (so it's much more likely to fail), mounting slightly improperly or not using quite enough, or not quite good enough thermal compound/paste might lead to air gaps etc and make that second failure happen again even faster. (then you ask solidoodle to give you yet another resistor?)


I think that the solidoodle support people saying that they recognise the issue and will try to make the process smoother/faster is the best that can be hoped for. Asking them to put their hand in their pocket and just give away components without investigation is just unrealistic.

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I'm sadly going to have to reiterate the need for a ticketing system on email. Even with the 'improvements' mentioned on the site here in the last few days - I'm still yet to receive a spare part that was being sent 4 weeks ago and have been trying for the past 30 hours to get a response out of support via E-Mail neutral

I was understanding of the 12 emails back and forth to get to the 'ok we will send you a new part' - but the lack of communication since that back on 15th of March is very disappointing sad Not even a 'not sure, we will check and get back to you on the status' - just stone cold silence.... neutral

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I have two things to add here, that I don't think have been said in this thead. I know you've said this thread is just for CS, but these points are valid to this discussion.

Point #1:
How many DEDICATED CS people does Solidoodle employ? People whose sole job at SD is customer service?  I'm taking a wild guess here with the size the company is, and I'm saying zero.

My guess (having worked for small companies in the past) is there are the just 'employees'.  Very few of the employees work in one task--Metal, electronics, programming-- While the rest of the employees do what needs to be done. 

"Hey 'John,' We need to pack up a couple of machines to ship today.  Can you take a break from soldering and give us a hand in shipping?" 

I'm guessing CS gets run like this as well. People 'get around' to it when they're not busy with other tasks.

Point#2:
Stop running your business like a Ponzi scheme.  I ordered my machine in May of last year.  My CC was charged immediately for the full amount.

My printer shipped in AUGUST, almost FOUR MONTHS after I ordered.  I get it, you're a small upstart.  But to take $600 of my money and effectively disappear for that long, is almost criminal.

You've been in business for two years or so.  By now you shouldn't be running the company finances/inventory order-to-order.  I don't think that a machine order now should be paying for the machine that's shipping next week. 

You've said in this thread there's parts on the shelf.  Why are there so many stories about taking more than a week to get them?
UPS Shipping map from zip 11231 shows 5 days to most of the west coast, and only 4 days to Alaska.  So the lag time is not in shipping, but getting things shipped. (USPS flat rate boxes would be even faster most places, and cheaper too.)

I'll freely admit I like my printer for the price point it is.  It's 1/3 the cost of other machines, with about the same abilities.  But the support from the company itself is lacking.  I want the company to succeed.  Hell, if i were still living in NYC, I'd come help you guys build machines for beer money.

B

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Bad Coffee wrote:

I have two things to add here, that I don't think have been said in this thead. I know you've said this thread is just for CS, but these points are valid to this discussion.

Point #1:
How many DEDICATED CS people does Solidoodle employ? People whose sole job at SD is customer service?  I'm taking a wild guess here with the size the company is, and I'm saying zero.

My guess (having worked for small companies in the past) is there are the just 'employees'.  Very few of the employees work in one task--Metal, electronics, programming-- While the rest of the employees do what needs to be done. 

"Hey 'John,' We need to pack up a couple of machines to ship today.  Can you take a break from soldering and give us a hand in shipping?" 

I'm guessing CS gets run like this as well. People 'get around' to it when they're not busy with other tasks.

Point#2:
Stop running your business like a Ponzi scheme.  I ordered my machine in May of last year.  My CC was charged immediately for the full amount.

My printer shipped in AUGUST, almost FOUR MONTHS after I ordered.  I get it, you're a small upstart.  But to take $600 of my money and effectively disappear for that long, is almost criminal.

You've been in business for two years or so.  By now you shouldn't be running the company finances/inventory order-to-order.  I don't think that a machine order now should be paying for the machine that's shipping next week. 

You've said in this thread there's parts on the shelf.  Why are there so many stories about taking more than a week to get them?
UPS Shipping map from zip 11231 shows 5 days to most of the west coast, and only 4 days to Alaska.  So the lag time is not in shipping, but getting things shipped. (USPS flat rate boxes would be even faster most places, and cheaper too.)

I'll freely admit I like my printer for the price point it is.  It's 1/3 the cost of other machines, with about the same abilities.  But the support from the company itself is lacking.  I want the company to succeed.  Hell, if i were still living in NYC, I'd come help you guys build machines for beer money.

B

Great questions abound!

Solidoodle has a dedicated team for CS/Tech Support. There is always someone working on CS in a dedicated fashion. While Solidoodle is a small company, and we all pitch in, I don't think I've ever packed up a Solidoodle. I think all in all, wait times for tech support are pretty short. Most of the time you can raise us on skype in seconds. E-mails might take 6-12 hours.

Now, in terms of small parts, we've said it before and said it again: It's demand. We're just struggling to keep up with parts. As we've said before, we have a full time employee who just ships these parts. We are catching up bit by bit, but this does take time.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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Bad Coffee wrote:

I'll freely admit I like my printer for the price point it is.  It's 1/3 the cost of other machines, with about the same abilities.  But the support from the company itself is lacking.

You get what you pay for...

SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

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DePartedPrinter wrote:
Bad Coffee wrote:

I'll freely admit I like my printer for the price point it is.  It's 1/3 the cost of other machines, with about the same abilities.  But the support from the company itself is lacking.

You get what you pay for...


Support, Low Cost, Reliability

Choose two.

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Brad wrote:
DePartedPrinter wrote:
Bad Coffee wrote:

I'll freely admit I like my printer for the price point it is.  It's 1/3 the cost of other machines, with about the same abilities.  But the support from the company itself is lacking.

You get what you pay for...


Support, Low Cost, Reliability

Choose two.

I got all three, the support was slow, but I got it.

No trees were harmed in the creation of this email, though some electrons were horribly inconvenienced.

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Support and reliability go hand in hand. If the Machine is "Reliable" then support will have one heck of an easy job to do.

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If you go here

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en& … 4TljQJYo_s

you will see this from Makers Tool Works:

"Please note, to guarantee us seeing it, please cc: support@makerstoolworks so a ticket gets created."

For some companies, it is simply that simple.

solidoodlesupport wrote:

Again, we see your point on the ticket system.
.

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solidoodlesupport wrote:
TheOldMan wrote:

Could you please fix the order system? It is extremely annoying to put together an order (on parts shown as available) only to have a notice pop up at the checkout that such-and-such a part is out of stock.
I'd like to bundle everything together to save on shipping, but everything I want never seems to be in-stock at one time....

When did this happen to you? We haven't had a stockout in the store in a long while.

Placed an order for 2 hotends 6 days ago.

As of today, order is still "processing".

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/2486943066/fa8pqlx3xro44nnaxnuv.jpeg

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Join the club. Wish I knew what takes so long to get things.Guess they need more help.I can get things from China quicker, last order 6 days.I just ordered some filament off Amazon, it will be here  by Thursday.


update: 12 days now since I ordered,   still says pending, I guess they don't want my future business.

SD3, E3D hotend,linear bearing on x/y axis',pillow block bearing on y conneting rod, ball bearngs on front y axis, fan on y stepper motor.

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How about an generated email upon order completion with an epub manual that contains download links, the entire setup, calibration and video links that we would watch anyway after we get pointed there by the community.
This ensures that people have a manual and this prevents accidental shipping snafus where someone forgets to include a manual, if one is ever implemented...
This also does away with the need for a driver/program disc, as the links can remain static in the epub and updated versions of the disc can easily be placed online.

No trees were harmed in the creation of this email, though some electrons were horribly inconvenienced.

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Updates:

The hotends I ordered took 2 weeks to ship.
I was charged $14 for Priority Mail shipping, they shipped via first class mail.

Not happy.

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I bet they are bursting with machine orders, the order numbers are sky rocketing.... So give em a break, they need time to hire people!!

p.s. just trying to get mine quicker.... :°)

www.designerfred.fr      before: Solidoodle 2 + E3D v6 now: MeCreator II and OLO 3D

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elmoret wrote:

Updates:

The hotends I ordered took 2 weeks to ship.
I was charged $14 for Priority Mail shipping, they shipped via first class mail.

Not happy.

Update: They refunded the shipping.

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elmoret wrote:
elmoret wrote:

Updates:

The hotends I ordered took 2 weeks to ship.
I was charged $14 for Priority Mail shipping, they shipped via first class mail.

Not happy.

Update: They refunded the shipping.


My new j-head from hotends.com was ordered on Friday and shipped the following Tuesday...I think SD needs to pick up the pace just a bit.

SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

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DePartedPrinter wrote:
elmoret wrote:
elmoret wrote:

Updates:

The hotends I ordered took 2 weeks to ship.
I was charged $14 for Priority Mail shipping, they shipped via first class mail.

Not happy.

Update: They refunded the shipping.


My new j-head from hotends.com was ordered on Friday and shipped the following Tuesday...I think SD needs to pick up the pace just a bit.

We're cranking them out as fast as we can wink

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f0/Growing_Pains_screenshot1.jpg

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solidoodlesupport wrote:
DePartedPrinter wrote:
elmoret wrote:

Update: They refunded the shipping.


My new j-head from hotends.com was ordered on Friday and shipped the following Tuesday...I think SD needs to pick up the pace just a bit.

We're cranking them out as fast as we can wink

I would have ordered one from you guys but the down time was a real deal breaker.

SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

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solidoodlesupport wrote:
DePartedPrinter wrote:
elmoret wrote:

Update: They refunded the shipping.


My new j-head from hotends.com was ordered on Friday and shipped the following Tuesday...I think SD needs to pick up the pace just a bit.

We're cranking them out as fast as we can wink


you're missing the point.

earlier in this thread you promised that if it's listed as stocked then it's in stock ready to be shipped.
Either you lied or you don't know how to work the shop software. or things behind the scenes are just a huge mess

Then you order priority shipping at an increased cost for an item that you can't possibly ship with the deadline that the words "priority shipping" would engender because you don't even have the item, you'd need your supplier to have the item in stock first before you were able to order from them, then they'd need to reach you, then you need to repackage and post.

This isn't growing pains any more, you've been having these "growing pains" for nearly a year now and the exact same issue of right hand saying one thing whilst the left hand is busy proverbial slapping the customers in the face.


cranking them out as fast as you can is great.
but how hard would it be to have stock levels accurately listed in the shop?
it's not like I'm saying you need a billion dollar automated robotic system. but maybe just having someone accurately updating the stock levels for stock.


This is how you should quickly and easily ensure that there are no more issues like this.

you will need 1 cardboard box for each item that you sell in the shop, large enough to contain 10 of these items, (so the box containing rails will necessarily be bigger than the box containing thermistors!
additionally you will need a shelf to put these boxes on.


take ten of each item off the shop floor now and put them in a box an d up on a shelf.
then list the stock level as ten for each item.
as you re-stock your shop stock pile then you can update the values in the shop software.

it seems at the moment that you're working from one big bucket of parts that the internet shop and shop floor are sharing. it can't work like that because you don't know what your stock levels are.

run the internet shop "like" it was a separate business, let it have it's own stock piles and it's own stock level counters, treat the shop floor like it is a supplier to the internet shop business, and visa versa.

that way, nobody from the shop floor should be looking at the internet shops stock pile thinking I'll just borrow that hot end to complete my machine. and likewise, a run on products in the internet shop won't leave your factory staff on the shop floor without parts to build machines.

Now a single person can accurately keep stock levels and probably do all the wrapping/packing and shipping for the internet/spare parts shop


This isn't difficult.
it's common sense.


If you don't keep an accurate stock count of what is available for sale in the shop you're going to be destined to keep disappointing customers.


Where you have a customer who has received a broken machine and needs a new widget went out.
remember, you can take a part from the internet shop's stock boxes, but you must decrement the stock level in the online shop before you take this part out.


consider this.
10am you get an email saying an extruder broke in shipping.
10:05 you go and grab the last extruder in the internet shop stock pile
10:10 someone orders an extruder, with priority shipping
10:15 you go to decrement the stock list but can't because it's already at zero.

now you've got a customer that's unhappy because he received a broken machine, and a customer that's unhappy because you won't ship his parts for ages.
you'll have to deal with 2x unhappy customers, and 2x complaints, and again have to refund the priority shipping charges because you couldn't meet that promise.


Alternatively
consider this.
10am you get an email saying an extruder broke in shipping.
10:05 you go to decrement the stock list so that it reads zero.
10:10 you go and grab the last extruder in the internet shop stock pile
10:10 someone wants to order an extruder, with priority shipping, but they are told at the point of purchase that it's a back order.

Now you still have to deal with the guy who received a broken machine, but the other guy is happy because he at least knows where he stands, you haven't made promises that you'll end up breaking.

it's easy to say that it's not your fault that the promises get broken, it's just unlucky that the guy wanted to order before the stock counters were updated, it was only minutes or seconds. but that's bull.
if you don't keep accurate stock levels, if you don't make your stock levels reflect reality, then it's your fault.

(and after you promised the new extruder to the customer who got a broken one the stock level IS zero. it doesn't matter that the physical part is still in the stock pile, it's been promised to another person).



To be honest, the best thing that I can recommend you guys do is go look at how an ISO 9001 certified company operates.

I said earlier that this was common sense, maybe it's not common sense.

I'm not saying go and get certified, I'm saying take a leaf from the books of those companies.
have a written and documented procedure for how things work.
when things go wrong, it's normally because you are doing it wrong. you need to then go back and look at your procedures, where can they be improved etc.

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ISO 9001 certified is a joke. Only thing it will do is make it worse! It only means that you have a process documented and you follow it. It does not take into account that the process is crap. I've worked at 2 companies that have gone through and gotten the ISO 9001 process and in the long run it was a major pain and slowed down any real work from getting done. Don’t do it ! Common sense is a lot more efficient than ISO 9001 will ever be!

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