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Topic: Solidoodle Support Suggestion Box

I thought, given recent anxieties about support, I would start a thread listing *positive* suggestions for the support team.  We are constantly retooling support to make things easier for the end user.

There are a few problems that support is well aware of. We realize everyone would like to receive repair parts, machines, and support communiques with greater speed. This is priority one.

How would you like to improve support? What sort of systems would you like to see in place?

We are always happy to help, and we want to make sure everyone feels taken care of to the best degree.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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What is the process for how support is handled now?


Kinda related...How about giving people a warranty against manufacturer defects.  Without one, it makes SD look like they do not have much faith in their product or assembly techniques.

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NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

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Use a ticket system to handle support, so requests are handled by the same customer service rep, instead of haphazardly bouncing them around as is the case now.

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DePartedPrinter wrote:

What is the process for how support is handled now?

This is quite the open ended question.

The general answer is that we try to encourage most people to contact us via e-mail. E-mails are sorted into tech support and non tech support categories and forwarded to the correct agents. Support is also received via Skype, IRC, Facebook, and other various sources.

The vast majority of cases are simple tweaks (Z-axis.) A small minority of customers need replacement parts. There are also dozens of other reasons we are contacted besides tech support.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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elmoret wrote:

Use a ticket system to handle support, so requests are handled by the same customer service rep, instead of haphazardly bouncing them around as is the case now.


I would hope they use a ticket system now.


nevermind^^

SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

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DePartedPrinter wrote:
elmoret wrote:

Use a ticket system to handle support, so requests are handled by the same customer service rep, instead of haphazardly bouncing them around as is the case now.


I would hope they use a ticket system now.


nevermind^^

We have considered a ticket system in the past and evaluated a few. Sadly, we determined that this would not make the process much more reliable for our scale of business.

Really, the biggest gripe we receive is slow responses, and long drawn out repair sagas. We are working on this of course, but e-mails are seldom lost or forgotten.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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solidoodlesupport wrote:

long drawn out repair sagas.

A big part of the reason this happens is that Solidoodle has multiple CSRs, probably with no CS training, and customers get bounced between CSRs - it is then impractical for the CSR to remember the case details, and it seems they don't have an easy way of looking them up. A ticket based system keeps all the info in one place, for each case.

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solidoodlesupport wrote:

We have considered a ticket system in the past and evaluated a few. Sadly, we determined that this would not make the process much more reliable for our scale of business.

Really, the biggest gripe we receive is slow responses, and long drawn out repair sagas. We are working on this of course, but e-mails are seldom lost or forgotten.


One baby step at a time is a good way to improve things in the end.  On average, how many support requests do you guys have in a day?

SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

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You might add a rush processing box, for like +$9.99. Of course, you guys better stop what you're doing, walk over the parts bin, and ship one of those whatevers out. Adding a rush processing option and not making good on it is bad news.

I needed a hotend because mine broke, and I ordered one from SD. Given my prior experiences with them, I decided the next day to just buy a SD3 from a forum member. Shipped it UPS ground.

The SD3 showed up today. The hot end hasn't even shipped yet.

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elmoret wrote:
solidoodlesupport wrote:

long drawn out repair sagas.

A big part of the reason this happens is that Solidoodle has multiple CSRs, probably with no CS training, and customers get bounced between CSRs - it is then impractical for the CSR to remember the case details, and it seems they don't have an easy way of looking them up. A ticket based system keeps all the info in one place, for each case.

Not true on multiple levels. Between Google and our store system, it is actually quite easy to keep track of customer information. We are all tech heads, and verified linux nerds.

As an aside I'm a programmer myself. The Solidoodle automated installers came directly from me with the associated tweaks to the software. Of course there is only so much time we can spend playing with the software, but it so fun!

What does happen though, is that sometimes relations between support and customers get fairly drawn out. Over the course of time people change their minds, change what they are doing and send unclear requests. Support often has to double check with customers. Sometimes mistakes happen as well.

Our main idea is to get in touch with people ASAP. Sometimes a support tech will not be able to fully understand the needs of the customer, and a decision has to be made to contact them asking for more information.

In general, this has been helped by having more staff, and more opportunities to chat with folks on the phone. Most people who are frustrated with us find conversations over the phone and skype quite enlightening.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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DePartedPrinter wrote:
solidoodlesupport wrote:

We have considered a ticket system in the past and evaluated a few. Sadly, we determined that this would not make the process much more reliable for our scale of business.

Really, the biggest gripe we receive is slow responses, and long drawn out repair sagas. We are working on this of course, but e-mails are seldom lost or forgotten.


One baby step at a time is a good way to improve things in the end.  On average, how many support requests do you guys have in a day?

I can't tell you the exact numbers, but there are lots. Most of this is not tech support. Sales, and general tech inquiries are far more common. Of course a large part of what we see is requests for quicker shipping, and shipping status updates. We receive helpful suggestions from customers as well.

Of course we do our fair share of tech support.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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solidoodlesupport wrote:

Not true on multiple levels. Between Google and our store system, it is actually quite easy to keep track of customer information. We are all tech heads, and verified linux nerds.

markulus wrote:

I've pretty much given up on Solidoodle support. I've worked with lots of products and lots of new companies and I've never had such a terrible customer support experience as I have had with Solidoodle.

About a month ago, my nozzle stopped extruding.

Sent an email to Solidoodle support. They went through the usual asking me if I've followed the directions for clearing a clog. Fine. I went through the process and confirmed that this is one of the apparently "rare" nozzle clogs.

SD support "Joel" asked me my extruder and bed temps. I sent them in.

Then, 2 days later SD support "John" sent me an email IDENTICAL to "Joel"'s email, again asking me my extruder and bed temps (clearly another copy paste reply where they didn't even bother to read the email history).

Eventually, I received a merchandise return form. After some time, "Joel" said that they received the hotend and that he was going to prepare an order for the replacement. He indicated that the order was in the queue and would be sent by the end of the week (end of week was 2 days ago).

THEN I get an email from John with a merchandise return form, telling me to send them the hotend that I had already sent, that that they have already inspected and that they indicated that they would replace.... Again, they didn't even bother to read the email history, instead they just copy-paste responses.

Finally I get an email telling me that the hotend somehow had defective thermal paste (?).

When I ask if they're going to send me a new one, "John" tells me that they "should be sending me a new one"..... No info is available on the customer service site ( I can't even see my own order history).

It's now been a month since my SD3 stopped working due to Solidoodle's own manufacturing defects. Getting answers out of these guys is like pulling teeth.

I had to post this because I feel I've been patient up until now. I'm not going to hound SD customer service with emails, holding their hands through a simple return process. Instead I'm waiting for them to honor their service commitment (eventually), after which I'm finding alternate sources for parts. I've already recommended to a few friends interested in 3D printing to get their printers elsewhere.

The Solidoodle is a good product. If Solidoodle (the company) wants to survive and grow, they really need to work on their customer service experience.


These stories don't match.

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what he said^

SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

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Possibly reevaluating your payment system, when I went to purchase it was bounced back by the bank and I ended up being pushed back over a week on my order. I do not know if this is something you could have any influence over or not but its worth looking into.

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solidoodlesupport wrote:
DePartedPrinter wrote:
solidoodlesupport wrote:

We have considered a ticket system in the past and evaluated a few. Sadly, we determined that this would not make the process much more reliable for our scale of business.

Really, the biggest gripe we receive is slow responses, and long drawn out repair sagas. We are working on this of course, but e-mails are seldom lost or forgotten.


One baby step at a time is a good way to improve things in the end.  On average, how many support requests do you guys have in a day?

I can't tell you the exact numbers, but there are lots. Most of this is not tech support. Sales, and general tech inquiries are far more common. Of course a large part of what we see is requests for quicker shipping, and shipping status updates. We receive helpful suggestions from customers as well.

Of course we do our fair share of tech support.

Ok, so how are all of these organized when they come in? are they sorted and delivered to different people?

SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

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DePartedPrinter wrote:
solidoodlesupport wrote:
DePartedPrinter wrote:

One baby step at a time is a good way to improve things in the end.  On average, how many support requests do you guys have in a day?

I can't tell you the exact numbers, but there are lots. Most of this is not tech support. Sales, and general tech inquiries are far more common. Of course a large part of what we see is requests for quicker shipping, and shipping status updates. We receive helpful suggestions from customers as well.

Of course we do our fair share of tech support.

Ok, so how are all of these organized when they come in? are they sorted and delivered to different people?

yup

Let's keep things on topic though. We are looking for suggestions based on the user experiences you guys are having.

What can we do better for you?

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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solidoodlesupport wrote:

What can we do better for you?

Assign 1 CSR per case
Keep accurate inventory so people will know if the item is in stock
If the item is in stock, ship same day

That's enough to get started...

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elmoret wrote:

If the item is in stock, ship same day

+1

No reason they should not be able to do this.

SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

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elmoret wrote:
solidoodlesupport wrote:

What can we do better for you?

Assign 1 CSR per case
Keep accurate inventory so people will know if the item is in stock
If the item is in stock, ship same day

That's enough to get started...

Just to clear things up:

1) Most users who have significant troubles will deal with multiple CSRs. This is intended, as I and Raff will typically only get involved in tougher cases. The vast majority of customers already only see 1 CSR.

2) There is some legitimate confusion here. In case there is confusion, we are heavily backordered on parts. You have reason to be frustrated that our cart system system always reads "In stock" for all items. Support does not have control of this fact. However, if it were the case that the part was "in stock" as it were, it would go out the same today.

Just like the printers, the support parts have a line. We ship a very large number each day. It is not as if people are simply being forgotten, as some might assume. There is simply a line.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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solidoodlesupport wrote:

2) There is some legitimate confusion here. In case there is confusion, we are heavily backordered on parts. You have reason to be frustrated that our cart system system always reads "In stock" for all items. Support does not have control of this fact. However, if it were the case that the part was "in stock" as it were, it would go out the same today.

Fix your store setting. Or get a new store set up that allows you to change things to "not in stock" or one that will show it as "back ordered" and give an estimate when it will be in.

SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

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DePartedPrinter wrote:
solidoodlesupport wrote:

2) There is some legitimate confusion here. In case there is confusion, we are heavily backordered on parts. You have reason to be frustrated that our cart system system always reads "In stock" for all items. Support does not have control of this fact. However, if it were the case that the part was "in stock" as it were, it would go out the same today.

Fix your store setting. Or get a new store set up that allows you to change things to "not in stock" or one that will show it as "back ordered" and give an estimate when it will be in.

Oh boy, I would love to. Sadly, that is not under the purview of support. However, I *can* change any part of the main website that you would like me to. We are making improvements right now!

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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solidoodlesupport wrote:
DePartedPrinter wrote:
solidoodlesupport wrote:

2) There is some legitimate confusion here. In case there is confusion, we are heavily backordered on parts. You have reason to be frustrated that our cart system system always reads "In stock" for all items. Support does not have control of this fact. However, if it were the case that the part was "in stock" as it were, it would go out the same today.

Fix your store setting. Or get a new store set up that allows you to change things to "not in stock" or one that will show it as "back ordered" and give an estimate when it will be in.

Oh boy, I would love to. Sadly, that is not under the purview of support. However, I *can* change any part of the main website that you would like me to. We are making improvements right now!

Fixing the store will probably cut your support requests in half...freeing up more time to help people with real problems

SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

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My SD3 is still pending, so I have no experience with the printer, but I will shortly. I used to operate a Komo CNC machine a number of years ago, so I do have some experience running a complex CNC system.

I do, however, have experience with this forum, and I put in a lot research time before buying my SD3. The reason I went with Solidoodle was, primarily, the hundreds of users contributing their comments for fixes, hacks, improvements, techniques, etc. A big hats off to the amazing super users in this community! I also went with Solidoodle because they use Repetier and other open source software and electronics, which go through their own improvements on a weekly if not daily basis. It now makes me really happy to see that Solidoodle is firmly standing alongside their "online" community, looking for ways to better connect, and improve. Furthermore, Solidoodle is rolling out an all new aluminum z-carriage and new extruder design. These are substantial product improvements, done in a relatively short amount of time, and this gives me a lot more confidence about this company.

I truly believe that no matter which printer you buy, you're going to go through an awful lot of trial, error, frustration, and learning. Every company I researched suffers the same maladies. At least with Solidoodle we have resources. We can download and reprint nearly every bracket on our machines, and make them shiny and blue -  for about 20 bucks in materials. We can go to ten websites and get new motors, and controllers, and hot ends, etc - for cheap. Even after adding enclosures, and glass beds, and filament spool holders we're still in the money. What makes this all possible is the Solidoodle community - guiding us, reprinting a part for us if our printer is down, warning us when we're doing something less than advisable, suggesting cool modifications, etc.

I shutter to think that with so many higher end printers the only resource I would have would be myself and the company. Crash your hot end and ruin three brackets? No problem, just pay the company a lot of money or get out your calipers and prepare to spend 8 hours designing a new one, and hope to heck you can find somebody to make you one. These types of scenarios go on and on.

In my opinion, the only 3d printer companies that will still be around 5 years from now will be the ones that are amenable to outside development, more or less open source, have strong online communities, and stay in contact with their communities. For my printer to fail would mean that we in the community would all have to fail.

My positive changes for support is this: keep asking us, your customers, for help - like you're doing. This is awesome customer service. Second, get your own version of Thingiverse for downloads and sharing, and start with a category for printable improvements to your own printers. Finally, why not put more emphasis on your blog, and begin with more timely updates. For example, why not include the following topics: "modification of the day" or "printing tip of the day" or "top 5 most asked questions this week" or "best user mod of the month" or "factory tip of the day", etc. To build excitement, it might be helpful to run a contest every now and then for user submitted modifications or tips. Good luck!

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Well, I got a chance to test out support's new policies sooner than I thought.

Just got my SD3. I've used it for 45 minutes, extruder fan will not run. I've verified it spins freely by hand and there is 12v at the header on the main board.

Email sent, April 10th. Let's see how it goes.

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I agree. Fixing the store would help a lot. I need to know when I am ready to place an order if the item is in stock or not. I also would like to see a shipping lead time. I placed 3 orders between January and February for replacement parts. Each order took at least two weeks before it was shipped. This was even indicating that my machine was down and needed the parts expidited. The items were only shipped after I had contacted support several times. I find it hard to believe that all of the parts I ordered were "out of stock". (Nozzle, hot end, heater, electronics cover, etc). At least send a follow up email after the order is placed to indicate expected shipping date or if the product is out of stock.

On another note, add your phone number to the "Contact us" page so we can contact support through the phone system. While social media and skype are nice, sometimes those options are not available. (At work, my firewall blocks most social media sites) Heck, I can't even view the solidoodle videos posted on the site.

When I've contacted support, I have had mostly good luck with their evaluation. The people are knowledgable and have helped. My biggest complaint is with ordering products that may or may not exist in inventory and the amount of time it takes to process small replacement parts orders. Solidoodle should recognize that people who need many parts are doing so because their printer is not functioning and need these orders turned around quickly. Some of us are using our printers in our business or for projects that need to be done in a reasonable time frame. I would hate to think that I missed a deadline because something broke on my printer and I couldn't get the part for two weeks or more.

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