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Topic: Sell me on the SD3

Hello there,

Because this is my first post, let me start by introducing myself. My name is Kyle and I'm a 23 year old welding instructor. I also work for a company called Liebherr. I help to build their superclass mining trucks. As you may have guessed, I am very interested in manufacturing. As such, I have spent quite a bit of time researching and teaching different weld processes, metallurgy and lean manufacturing processes, to name a few. In my research I came across 3D printing. I never really looked too much into it before the few weeks, though.

Which brings me here. I have already done a little bit of research but I figured it would serve me well to just ask. Is the solidoodle 3 "worth" getting? I'm already aware that they offer a good price, I just need to know if it is a good buy. Are the parts the same or similar to other printers? How often must you perform mataintinance compared to other printers? What kind of longevity can I expect from a solidoodle 3 and what kind of support will I recieve when I eventually do run into a problem? Which filament works best with the SD3? What's the best fix for not needing to have your computer hooked up for the duration of the print? What should I keep in mind when exploring the possibility of adding fans and an enclosure? How easy would it be to achieve .1 prints instead of the standard .3?  Which software works best with the SD3? Which modifications would you suggest be made right out of the box? At the rate that this technology is moving would I do better to simply wait for the eventual SD4?


I'm sure I'm missing a few questions but you get the idea.

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Welcome Kyle.  My opinions below:

Koenreich wrote:

Is the solidoodle 3 "worth" getting? I'm already aware that they offer a good price, I just need to know if it is a good buy. Are the parts the same or similar to other printers?

3D printers in this class all seem to use the same core parts (motors, logic boards, etc).  The solidoodle is a solid design so I wouldn't worry about any inferior quality/parts because of the price.  Just be aware that the technology of all hobby 3D printers is relatively immature, so that doesn't mean that it is immune to problems.

Koenreich wrote:

How often must you perform mataintinance compared to other printers? What kind of longevity can I expect from a solidoodle 3 and what kind of support will I recieve when I eventually do run into a problem?

You're supposed to just grease the rails every once in awhile.  I probably should do that soon.  I haven't needed to yet, but every few months is probably not a bad idea.  Not to knock Solidoodle specifically, but be prepared to do be able to do your own debugging if you purchase a 3D printer.  The device is not that complicated IMHO, if you just apply basic mechanical skills.

Koenreich wrote:

Which filament works best with the SD3?

I've used Octave with no problems.  No experience with other brands.

Koenreich wrote:

What's the best fix for not needing to have your computer hooked up for the duration of the print?

If available, get a used cheapie second computer.  Barring that, I've been considering adding a Panelolu or something similar.  There is no simple plug-and-play replacement for the computer that I know of.

Koenreich wrote:

What should I keep in mind when exploring the possibility of adding fans and an enclosure?

An enclosure is a must.  Clear plastic (acrylic, polycarbonate, etc) sheets stuck on with magnets seems to be the default solution.  A cardboard box is also functional, if a bit ghetto.

Koenreich wrote:

How easy would it be to achieve .1 prints instead of the standard .3?

Easy.  There is already an approved .1mm profile for slic3r.

Koenreich wrote:

Which software works best with the SD3?

I use slic3r to slice and pronterface to send the cgode to the printer.  This is really a matter of choice.

Koenreich wrote:

Which modifications would you suggest be made right out of the box? At the rate that this technology is moving would I do better to simply wait for the eventual SD4?

I don't see any reason to wait;  I don't see SD adding a whole lot soon that the smart folks here haven't already thought of.  Most people do the following upgrades:

1) enclosure (cheap)
2) thumbscrews (free, printed)
3) anti-backlash device (free, printed)
4) glass bed (cheap)

I also highly recommend:

5) z-wobble compensation (free, requires firmware upgrade)
6) filament guide (free, printed)

Some others eventually also do:
7) mk4 extruder replacement (free, printed)
8) gcode-controlled cooling fan (cheap, requires firmware upgrade)

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I will trade you my printer for a couple hour drive in a T 282B

SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

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tealvince wrote:

Welcome Kyle.  My opinions below:

Koenreich wrote:

Is the solidoodle 3 "worth" getting? I'm already aware that they offer a good price, I just need to know if it is a good buy. Are the parts the same or similar to other printers?

3D printers in this class all seem to use the same core parts (motors, logic boards, etc).  The solidoodle is a solid design so I wouldn't worry about any inferior quality/parts because of the price.  Just be aware that the technology of all hobby 3D printers is relatively immature, so that doesn't mean that it is immune to problems.

Koenreich wrote:

How often must you perform mataintinance compared to other printers? What kind of longevity can I expect from a solidoodle 3 and what kind of support will I recieve when I eventually do run into a problem?

You're supposed to just grease the rails every once in awhile.  I probably should do that soon.  I haven't needed to yet, but every few months is probably not a bad idea.  Not to knock Solidoodle specifically, but be prepared to do be able to do your own debugging if you purchase a 3D printer.  The device is not that complicated IMHO, if you just apply basic mechanical skills.

Koenreich wrote:

Which filament works best with the SD3?

I've used Octave with no problems.  No experience with other brands.

Koenreich wrote:

What's the best fix for not needing to have your computer hooked up for the duration of the print?

If available, get a used cheapie second computer.  Barring that, I've been considering adding a Panelolu or something similar.  There is no simple plug-and-play replacement for the computer that I know of.

Koenreich wrote:

What should I keep in mind when exploring the possibility of adding fans and an enclosure?

An enclosure is a must.  Clear plastic (acrylic, polycarbonate, etc) sheets stuck on with magnets seems to be the default solution.  A cardboard box is also functional, if a bit ghetto.

Koenreich wrote:

How easy would it be to achieve .1 prints instead of the standard .3?

Easy.  There is already an approved .1mm profile for slic3r.

Koenreich wrote:

Which software works best with the SD3?

I use slic3r to slice and pronterface to send the cgode to the printer.  This is really a matter of choice.

Koenreich wrote:

Which modifications would you suggest be made right out of the box? At the rate that this technology is moving would I do better to simply wait for the eventual SD4?

I don't see any reason to wait;  I don't see SD adding a whole lot soon that the smart folks here haven't already thought of.  Most people do the following upgrades:

1) enclosure (cheap)
2) thumbscrews (free, printed)
3) anti-backlash device (free, printed)
4) glass bed (cheap)

I also highly recommend:

5) z-wobble compensation (free, requires firmware upgrade)
6) filament guide (free, printed)

Some others eventually also do:
7) mk4 extruder replacement (free, printed)
8) gcode-controlled cooling fan (cheap, requires firmware upgrade)

It saddens us to hear you say that we would not improve the machine.

Here's a real improvement, that is leaving the shop today:
An aluminum z-axis (as opposed to wood.)
We shall soon be rolling out a new extruder design to replace the Jigsaw.
There are other improvements being developed as we speak.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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It saddens us to hear you say that we would not improve the machine.

Here's a real improvement, that is leaving the shop today:
An aluminum z-axis (as opposed to wood.)
We shall soon be rolling out a new extruder design to replace the Jigsaw.
There are other improvements being developed as we speak.


Will the new components be available as an upgrade to thos of us that have the wood z-axis?

SD2
E3D V6
MK5 V6

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Gordym wrote:

It saddens us to hear you say that we would not improve the machine.

Here's a real improvement, that is leaving the shop today:
An aluminum z-axis (as opposed to wood.)
We shall soon be rolling out a new extruder design to replace the Jigsaw.
There are other improvements being developed as we speak.


Will the new components be available as an upgrade to thos of us that have the wood z-axis?

They should be mostly interchangeable. Yes.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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solidoodlesupport wrote:
Gordym wrote:

It saddens us to hear you say that we would not improve the machine.

Here's a real improvement, that is leaving the shop today:
An aluminum z-axis (as opposed to wood.)
We shall soon be rolling out a new extruder design to replace the Jigsaw.
There are other improvements being developed as we speak.


Will the new components be available as an upgrade to thos of us that have the wood z-axis?

They should be mostly interchangeable. Yes.

We saw those already in pictures from the press tour.  What else you got? smile

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Fantastic, I believe that I only have one more question. I've recently read about a company using what they call "ABS plus". Do any of you know what the difference between that and the "standard" ABS filament might be and if I would be able to use ABS plus filament on a solidoodle?

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Koenreich wrote:

Fantastic, I believe that I only have one more question. I've recently read about a company using what they call "ABS plus". Do any of you know what the difference between that and the "standard" ABS filament might be and if I would be able to use ABS plus filament on a solidoodle?

Who knows.

The 3D printing industry is still trying to figure out how to brand plastic. There is still some major confusion as to what differences in ABS quality amount to. I imagine "ABS Plus" is someone's branding strategy for their filament supplier. Expect to see a lot more of that kind of thing in the filament industry as time goes on.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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Well that's not what I was hoping to hear. I believe the process that is using ABS plus is FDM. I'm not sure how much that varies from the process that the solidoodle uses because I'm new, but perhaps somebody else will. I would be interested to know if there actually is a difference between ABS plus and ABS and if ABS plus could be used with the solidoodle, or other printers.

On a separate note, I also read up on a nylon filament called Taulman 618. Has anyone experimented with this? I have seen some pretty interesting videos on YouTube and I would love to know how thin you can print the layers. For my own purposes, I would be sold on them if it could print in .05. Anyways, looking forward to hearing from those with printers.

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One more thing:

How long until those upgrades for the SD3 are available? I'm seriously considering buying an assembled model but I don't want to have to rip it apart soon after receiving it. If it won't be long you can go ahead and put my name first on the list to get one.

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Koenreich wrote:

One more thing:

How long until those upgrades for the SD3 are available? I'm seriously considering buying an assembled model but I don't want to have to rip it apart soon after receiving it. If it won't be long you can go ahead and put my name first on the list to get one.

As of Friday, all new SD2s were shipping with the upgraded bed. As of Monday, we will be transitioning the SD3s. If you order today, you should receive the new bed. We do have some back-stock of the old beds, but this should be exhausted by the time you receive your order.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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"should receive a new bed"

Ah man! I ordered my SD3 a week and a half ago!!

Guess that means I "might" get a new bed??

It should be very simple. How many old beds are in stock? how many orders are in the Q?

If they cant give an answer, their customer service is getting worse.

Smitty

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Smitty505000 wrote:

"should receive a new bed"

Ah man! I ordered my SD3 a week and a half ago!!

Guess that means I "might" get a new bed??

It should be very simple. How many old beds are in stock? how many orders are in the Q?

If they cant give an answer, their customer service is getting worse.

Smitty

We, like the majority of companies, do keep mum about exact stockpiles of parts. That doesn't mean we are giving you bad customer service: We are not obligated to reveal everything. We aren't trying to obfuscate anything, this is just our policy.

We do not reveal how many orders in are in queue.

Now, as for you, the answer here is pretty obvious. If you ordered an S3 a week ago, you have 7 weeks of wait time to go. This means that the chances are fairly overwhelming that you will receive the new part. Rejoice.

I do not know the exact date the old beds will be fully discontinued. Most likely it will be a gradual turn down, accelerated as we get good reports from the field. We like to stay flexible about this sort of thing. We exercise great caution whenever we change the machine.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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You exercise great caution by testing your design on paying customers?

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markulus wrote:

You exercise great caution by testing your design on paying customers?

I should exercise greater caution with my spelling wink

We've been testing the design for months, as you can see from the press photos leaked before. As you can see, we do in fact test stuff. I'm not sure where this rumor that we don't comes from. 

Testing things on paying customers is what we'd like to avoid. However, good reports from the field always seal the effectiveness of a change. No amount of testing in the shop will be the same as the real world.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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I'm not sure why everyone freaked out there. Anyone who has paid the least bit of attention to technology know that advances come rapidly. Any of you still happy with the speed and reliabilitity of dial up? Didn't think so.

ANYWAYS, does that also apply to the z axis upgrade? My apologies if I opened up a can of worms. As I said, I don't have any hands on experience with 3D printing and I just want to be sure I get started in the most hassle free way possible.

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Koenreich wrote:

I'm not sure why everyone freaked out there. Anyone who has paid the least bit of attention to technology know that advances come rapidly. Any of you still happy with the speed and reliabilitity of dial up? Didn't think so.

ANYWAYS, does that also apply to the z axis upgrade? My apologies if I opened up a can of worms. As I said, I don't have any hands on experience with 3D printing and I just want to be sure I get started in the most hassle free way possible.

The Z axis upgrade shall improve a few things. Shipping damage to the the Z-axis shall be eliminated, and the bed shall be much more reliable in terms of warping.

Also, I find it to look rather spiffy.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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No info on Taulmans 618 nylon filament?

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Koenreich wrote:

No info on Taulmans 618 nylon filament?

We have some Octave Nylon sitting around waiting to be tested. We also have their fun proprietary bed thingy. For those who are curious, we also have some wood filament samples for testing as well.

There shall be fanfare if any of that works well. We'll keep you posted.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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Fantastic. I believe that Octave is a reseller of Taulmans. Any experimentation with post-print coatings?

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Not at this time.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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smile plans? I'm excited to see where this is going to go in the future.

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Koenreich wrote:

smile plans? I'm excited to see where this is going to go in the future.

We haven't been offered coatings by a supplier. If you know of one, we'll look in to it. Suppliers are usually quite nice about offering us samples.

Former Solidoodle employee, no longer associated with the company.

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That's not my forte'. I'll be sure to let you know if I come across anything, though.