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Topic: It works! Sorta...

So,  I got my brand new Solidoodle 3 on Monday.  I unboxed it, made a lovely cover for it out of cardboard, plexiglass, and tape (see attached photo).  And set it all up.

Ive tried going through a lot of the help files, and reading a couple blogs, but I still have a lot to go through.  I figured I would start with making some simple thumbscrews as seen here:

soliforum.com/topic/242/thumbscrew-to-level-bed-from-beneath

It looks like something simple and useful to learn on.

So, after fiddling with stuff and what not I have a few questions:

1. How important is it to get my Bed temperature to 95?  When I started without the cover, it would max out at 88 degrees, and take an hour to get there.  After making my cover, I can get it hotter, but it takes a while because it basically has to heat the entire box first.  Is this a big concern?  And should I continue to surround my printer with a hot box?

2. How do I prevent my layers from curling up at the edges.  As you can hopefully see in the attached pictures, I have tried printing these screws several times, and inevitably it will put down a few layers, until the wings start to curl up at the edges.  As the machine comes through for another layer, the print head will grab the raised edges, and basically drag it along so it detaches from the bed.  So I get a few layers printed, then this thing catches and rips off, then drags around.

Anyways, that's all I have for now.  I look forward to your helpful replies.

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Re: It works! Sorta...

Hi trevor i've had soemof the smae issues but my bed does seem to heat better than yours. bed temp is important butlet me give you my thumbscrew stl i took the one you have and modified it for my own use. This one will print on the bed a little better i think and you should be alot happier with it.

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Leveling the print bed, adjusting the z-level, and getting high print bed temperature will all lead to better prints.  Without an enclosure but in a room with a good ambient temperature, it takes my printer about 10-15 minutes to reach 95.  With paeltz's enclosure, it takes 5-10 minutes (http://www.soliforum.com/topic/1588/my-easy-and-relativley-cheap-sd3-enclosure/ ). 

Beyond that, I have had trouble with my SD3 and sticking and warping.  It is improved by wiping the print bed with alcohol or acetone.  If still having trouble, setting the speed of the 1st layer to be 1/2 or even 1/4 that of normal printing may help.  Printing with a brim is a last result.  For me, I am now using the enclosure, I'm heating to 100, and I'm using Cubestick from Cubify, but I'm doing all that because I'm printing on a glass plate.

I made really short thumbscrews - not pretty but functional - so I can keep storing stuff underneath without worry about the thumbscrews coming down too far.

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Cheers,
Fred
Fredrick C. Hagemeister
http://blog.richmond.edu/ti3d

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i use soem hair spray it works great

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Update:

First off, thanks for the helpful advice and .stls offered.  However, I am hoping to print this version as I want to figure out how to do overhangs.  I plan to print some stuff with overhangs and this seems like a good piece to learn on.


Secondly, I fiddled a bit, and got some stuff working.  I also discovered an odd motor control issue, but I rebooted and it seems to be working.  But what I did was:

1. Calibrated my Z-axis such that 0.00 mm Z was actually on the board (it was .2 mm high), and also set my first layer extrusion to be a bit higher, thus creating a nicely smooshed (but not smashed) first layer.

2.  Reduced speed on my first layer

3. Added a Skirt to make sure that material was flowing properly and ready at the tip of the extruder so I would get a good first layer

4. Added a Brim to give my part extra grip.  This particular model has a very small base relative to the length of it's final shape.  As such, there was a lot of moment when it caught.  This can easily be snipped off at the end (I actually have a pair of offset diagonal cutters perfect for the task).

5.  Set the temperature lower to 195 C extrusion (which supposedly helps).

All that got me the results seen attached:

This is my best one to date before it got caught and ripped off.  As you can see in picture #4, the 'ears' of the piece do indeed bow up.  This bowing gets worse and worse as the layers are built until they catch the print head and rip off (thus you can see the blob on the corner where it caught).  I assume this upwards bowing is due to laying down a hot piece on a colder layer below.  The part sticks, then contracts, thus pulling the top inwards and causing the upwards bowing (like the string on a hunting bow pulling it into a curve).

Ideally this would be solved by having no thermal gradient.  So, if the print head, the build plate, and the surrounding air were all the same, we would be fine.  Unfortunately, the ABS needs to go from liquidus to solidus, which necessitates a temperature shift.  So, what would be the best thing here?

Perhaps raising the bed temp, lowering the extruder temp, and going as quickly as possible in order to reduce the thermal gradient?

Perhaps slowing the whole things down and allowing the layers to completely cool one at a time so as to provide a stable surface that resists the top layer's contraction?

Changing the layers to be lower, thus reducing the contracting force?

Adding solid layers to the infill to act as buttressing?

support structures?

I am probably not the first person with this problem and am curious what other people have done about this issue.

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Re: It works! Sorta...

It appears what is happenign is thermal cooling the edges are cooling to fast making them bow up and then as the novel comes back across to a high spot ipushes it forcing the lip down placing preasure on a small base and eventually it comes off the build plate. can i suggest you try either one of the other 2 stls to see how they work for you

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For that print why wouldn't you print it on it's side?