1 (edited by Irish 2012-12-26 18:25:20)

Topic: Best temperature for extruding PLA

I've had the suggestion to use 185C for the temperature on PLA filament but I've also seen that Maker-Bot specifies 230C on their new Replicator 2.

I'm having issues with the PLA even sticking to the Blue Painter's Tape if I use what I believe is the proper gap between the head and the bed. I don't have a METRO CARD as suggested by Solidoodle. Evidently they think everyone carries one with them even outside metro NYC. Sorry, we've never even seen one here in the midwest. Anyway, I used a card I though was close to that thickness and end up having to move the head even closer before I actually got even adhesion.

Yes, I've checked, double checked, the table is level. I'm not looking to cook the PLA but feel there should be an optium temperature as apposed to a best guess temperature. Which brings me back to the gap guage. Wouldn't it be better to specify an actual dimension such as .01" or .002" that either a feeler guage could be used or at least one could mic a piece of paper. But to keep seeing "use a piece of paper to set the gap" with no thickness specified is a bit loose when so much else is listed as being so specific.

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A piece of paper is usually .1mm.  The distance doesn't matter for leveling the bed, just that it is the same for all points.  As for temperature, you can't really go by recommendations for other printers because the way they measure the temp is different.  Usually when they say 230, the Solidoodle equivalent will be 195-200.

I haven't bothered with the painters tape for PLA, I found that Kapton at about 50C works fine.

3 (edited by rickk 2012-12-29 15:24:40)

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I print exclusively PLA and have only tried 2 colors. I print on heated glass with painted on glue (PVA - Elmer's glue - 10:1).
I use the fan mod - turned on after the second layer.
Bed temperature 60 degrees.

Natural PLA - prints really well with no stringing - it is a joy to work with (from Amazon - Jet PLA). Extruder temp is 160. I can extrude this down to 135, but it does not stick to itself and you get weak prints.

Black PLA - I have to print it hotter because it really doesn't want to stick to the bed otherwise. I use 190 for the extruder.  Amazon - from online fulfillment.

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Slowly working some of the bugs out. I just completed a print that turned out the best so far in PLA. I'm using a gold and I also have some silver on hand. I did this at a bed temp of 80 and a start extrude temp of 195 then lowered it to 190. The color and surface look great. All edges are nice and even with no bulges anywhere. It was the Snowflake STL.

I also found the issue with Repieter-Host telling me it could find the file when I asked it to run Slic3r. I had the first layer set thicker than the opening in the hot tip. Just happened to notice a warning message popup to that effect.

I'm now going to run that Exhaust Fan STL that I was having issues with in another tread and see how that runs. If good I'll post a picture here later.

Thanks for the feed back as it's been the only think keeping me from drop-kicking the SD2 throught the goal post. [grin]

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Rick, are you running at .1MM or .3MM? I had issues with .1MM so I reverted to .3MM and I'm getting better, not perfect, results so far.

Another questions: Has anyone thought of going to .2MM, half way between .1 & .3MM? Just wondering if there would possible be some advantages to that setting gaining good points of the other two and hopefully loosing the bad ones.

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Irish wrote:

Rick, are you running at .1MM or .3MM? I had issues with .1MM so I reverted to .3MM and I'm getting better, not perfect, results so far.

Another questions: Has anyone thought of going to .2MM, half way between .1 & .3MM? Just wondering if there would possible be some advantages to that setting gaining good points of the other two and hopefully loosing the bad ones.

I have only tried .3mm so far. In reading other forums - it seems that .2 should be optimum for our .35mm nozzle. I guess there is some optimal layer height below your nozzle size that is the tallest layers you are supposed to print (lower is fine). I think it has to do with squishing the layers properly. The .3mm size has been working well - so obviously this is not set in stone - but my next height I was going to try was .2mm.  I am not sure I have the patience for .1mm layer heights!

I get nearly perfect results with natural - black gets a fair amount of stringing - even with a large retract setting(3mm). (I am using a z-lift of .1mm).   

I also lowered my acceleration and jerk settings in the firmware to reduce overshoot at the corners - that also has slowed my prints. It didn't make that much of a difference - mostly it makes me feel better because the printer shakes less.

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rickk wrote:

I have only tried .3mm so far. In reading other forums - it seems that .2 should be optimum for our .35mm nozzle. I guess there is some optimal layer height below your nozzle size that is the tallest layers you are supposed to print (lower is fine). I think it has to do with squishing the layers properly. The .3mm size has been working well - so obviously this is not set in stone - but my next height I was going to try was .2mm.  I am not sure I have the patience for .1mm layer heights!

I get nearly perfect results with natural - black gets a fair amount of stringing - even with a large retract setting(3mm). (I am using a z-lift of .1mm).   

I also lowered my acceleration and jerk settings in the firmware to reduce overshoot at the corners - that also has slowed my prints. It didn't make that much of a difference - mostly it makes me feel better because the printer shakes less.

These are the facts and pieces of info I need to gather. But first I  think I want to change the bed. I'm looking at adding a piece of 6" square mirrored glass. I feel the mirror is important to be able to see the hot end for smears. I've been using blue carpenter's tape with fairly good results. The Kapton tape on the bed worked great at first but doesn't seem to do the job by itself anymore.  I prefer not to add Acetone mixtures here inside the house. Your Elmers solution sound interesting plus I've read about using hair spray on the glass. I'd just like something that holds the parts but lets them snap free easily. I know, me and five thousand others want that.

I can't believe someone hasn't written a book on this stuff yet, or at least, I haven't seen one. I've been down with the flu for the past week and don't yet feel much like venturing out. Plus today we got hit with 15" of snow. But, hopefully before the weekend I'll get a chance to get that mirror piece at least.

I manufacture model kits and such, I'm retired, and the business has built quite large. I do a lot of detailing castings in both resin and white metal. Up until now I've been scrounging old castings and modifying or building stuff out of wood and metal as masters. I started doing the 3D AutoSketch Pro work and sending my stuff to Shapeways. That's expensive and the fine material, FUD, has it's own issues. In order to save money on the printing you need to send them hollow pieces with drain holes as they use an oily wax as a support. A bit messy and for vacuum RTV mold making those hollows must be filled. Thus I've been looking around for a different system but none of these Fused Filament printers will ever get fine enough in output I don't think, at least not down to the scale sizes I need anyway. [chuckle]

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Irish - you'd be better off looking into something like the form1 depending on size you are working with.  Sl will give much better resolution of prints.

9 (edited by DePartedPrinter 2012-12-27 16:30:08)

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devilman2075 wrote:

Irish - you'd be better off looking into something like the form1 depending on size you are working with.  Sl will give much better resolution of prints.


Agree on the form1.  The resolution is on another level.  I have been trying to get my work to buy me one to go with my Solidoodle.

http://formlabs.com/pages/our-printer

SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

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Yes, I looked at an early version of this, it wasn't as refined as it is now. They still aren't shipping. Cost isn't bad but I don't think what they are quoting includes everything you need. There are a lot of prioritary items that must be bought from them and can't be found on the open market.

I did have a local dealer in 3D printers offer me a demo unit yesterday. Said the price would be below 10K. They are only 6 miles up the road plus they also have a division for doing printing for others.

Like I said, I have a friend with a MB-Rep kit who has done some really nice scale (1:87 and 1:48) work in ABS at .3MM. Some of it he's had to do multiple prints before getting it dialed in but he's reaching the point of only needing one or two test before he has a finished piece good enough for a master for resin casting.

One advantage of the Form1 is it's already a resin product and should easily be detailed. One thing that's almost impossible to do with 3D printing is to add woodgrain, knot holes, etc. to things like wooden workbenches or cabinets. Even if possible it would take way too long in a 3D software program. Only one real good master is needed to use to make a mold master. After that everything is done with castings.

My problem is age (grin), I'm 70, retired, well supose to be. But like a lot of retirees these days I don't have a pension so I need to have an income. I started the company 3 years before retiring and it's 8 years old now. My modeling company has grown every year and we ship all over the World. Just the wife and I and we do 'everything' in house. This year we topped 1,000 invoices which is pretty good for a home based business.

I'll probably use the SD2 to output in 1:35 scale just to prove a design works OK. From there I'll see how I want to repro it in actual scale. thanks for all the input, it helps all of us.

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Hi,

For those of you that are subscribed to this thread and have some insight? .... thanks (and sorry for hijacking this thread)
http://www.soliforum.com/topic/1705/pla … e-problem/

Regards