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Topic: X-Xaxis leveling on the Junior 1.0

I can't get my X-Axis level. The right half is too high. I can print stuff fine on the left, but when I get right, I can't print a first layer. XYZ's youtube channel says that you can loosen two T-10 screws, but T-10 bits are too small, and T-20 bits are too big. Has anyone else had this issue?

2 (edited by Anthem 2017-03-20 04:14:18)

Re: X-Xaxis leveling on the Junior 1.0

The X axis is a long-standing headache for Junior owners. Fortunately I never had too much trouble with mine, but I did have to re-level it a couple of times. The main problem is not so much the fact that the X-axis isn't perfect (hardly any X-axis ever is), but that the Junior doesn't have any sane way to level the bed to compensate for a wonky X-axis.

Anyway, I'm not sure what the official designation for the size of Torx driver the X-axis uses, but I had a bit that fit it in my set of computer/security screw bits. Whatever its official size is, it's very close to the size of a 2.5mm hex driver, but unfortunately is not compatible (I've accidentally, or in a pinch, been able to use the Torx driver to drive 2.5mm hex heads, but I certainly don't recommend it -- you'll eventually round off your screw, or your driver, or both).

The weird thing is you say that the right side is too high -- the way the X-axis is constructed, over time the right side tends to be too low because things slip and the axis sags.

Short of finding yourself the correct bit to actually turn those screws, two ideas come to mind.

First, you could somehow raise the right side of your bed. This is easy enough to do by loosening the bed clamp screws and slipping a few scraps of paper under the clips to raise it up a bit. However, this presumes you can loosen those screws, which are actually the same size Torx screws used on the X-axis

I probably shouldn't even suggest this one, so DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK! But if you're desperate, you could try a modified version of the XYZ-offical leveling technique and place something thick, sturdy, and nice and square (I never liked the idea of using the power brick...) on your bed and jogging the Z-axis down until it touches. If your axis is too high on the right, then the left side will hit first. Don't keep jogging it down too much, because the left side is not the target here and you could wind up breaking your bed glass or knocking something else out of alignment.

But with the X axis resting on the object at the left, firmly but gently press down on the right side of your X-axis. If you're lucky you might feel just a little give, and it will droop down a little, hopefully just enough to give you a slightly better alignment. Don't overdo the force here, for all the same reasons as above -- you don't want to break anything or make anything else worse.

Even if that works, I still suggest finding the right driver for the screws, and if your alignment is better, at least tighten them down again.

Side note: I always thought the XYZ-recommended method for doing this overlooked the glaring fact that even if you do manage to get the X-axis aligned on top of your power brick (or some other object), the tendency will be for the stresses of the mechanical parts and fasteners to droop back down as soon as you remove that object, because you're removing supports that placed balancing forces on the machine that kept it in alignment. Even if it's a miniscule difference, you'll never get a fully level axis doing that. It would be far better to use a square object as a measuring tool, rather than as a supporting force, to align the axis, but that of course is much harder for a consumer company to try and communicate to a layman.

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Re: X-Xaxis leveling on the Junior 1.0

Raise right side of track, look picturehttp://soliforum.com/i/?sH435AR.jpg

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Re: X-Xaxis leveling on the Junior 1.0

Anthem wrote:

The X axis is a long-standing headache for Junior owners. Fortunately I never had too much trouble with mine, but I did have to re-level it a couple of times. The main problem is not so much the fact that the X-axis isn't perfect (hardly any X-axis ever is), but that the Junior doesn't have any sane way to level the bed to compensate for a wonky X-axis.

Anyway, I'm not sure what the official designation for the size of Torx driver the X-axis uses, but I had a bit that fit it in my set of computer/security screw bits. Whatever its official size is, it's very close to the size of a 2.5mm hex driver, but unfortunately is not compatible (I've accidentally, or in a pinch, been able to use the Torx driver to drive 2.5mm hex heads, but I certainly don't recommend it -- you'll eventually round off your screw, or your driver, or both).

The weird thing is you say that the right side is too high -- the way the X-axis is constructed, over time the right side tends to be too low because things slip and the axis sags.

Short of finding yourself the correct bit to actually turn those screws, two ideas come to mind.

First, you could somehow raise the right side of your bed. This is easy enough to do by loosening the bed clamp screws and slipping a few scraps of paper under the clips to raise it up a bit. However, this presumes you can loosen those screws, which are actually the same size Torx screws used on the X-axis

I probably shouldn't even suggest this one, so DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK! But if you're desperate, you could try a modified version of the XYZ-offical leveling technique and place something thick, sturdy, and nice and square (I never liked the idea of using the power brick...) on your bed and jogging the Z-axis down until it touches. If your axis is too high on the right, then the left side will hit first. Don't keep jogging it down too much, because the left side is not the target here and you could wind up breaking your bed glass or knocking something else out of alignment.

But with the X axis resting on the object at the left, firmly but gently press down on the right side of your X-axis. If you're lucky you might feel just a little give, and it will droop down a little, hopefully just enough to give you a slightly better alignment. Don't overdo the force here, for all the same reasons as above -- you don't want to break anything or make anything else worse.

Even if that works, I still suggest finding the right driver for the screws, and if your alignment is better, at least tighten them down again.

Side note: I always thought the XYZ-recommended method for doing this overlooked the glaring fact that even if you do manage to get the X-axis aligned on top of your power brick (or some other object), the tendency will be for the stresses of the mechanical parts and fasteners to droop back down as soon as you remove that object, because you're removing supports that placed balancing forces on the machine that kept it in alignment. Even if it's a miniscule difference, you'll never get a fully level axis doing that. It would be far better to use a square object as a measuring tool, rather than as a supporting force, to align the axis, but that of course is much harder for a consumer company to try and communicate to a layman.

I actually misspoke.  When I said the right half is too high, I was saying that the bed is too high up on the right side. The axis is too low, the bed is too high.

Anyway, I still haven't found a bit that will work. I'll probably end up bringing one of the identical screws that I took out by grabbing with pliers, and find the correct bit at the store.

Also, thanks a ton for your RAMPS conversion guide - it was a huge help. I hated my Junior before the swap!

Side note : how do you have your filament mounted on the printer? I'm having a hard time finding a good solution that is low friction, as well as compact.

5 (edited by Anthem 2017-03-21 22:08:03)

Re: X-Xaxis leveling on the Junior 1.0

For filament I'm currently using a couple of these: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:629381

But they do require purchasing some 608zz bearings. Generally I'm a fan of the "spool on a stick" style of holder, though. If the stick is thin enough (and not made of rubber) friction shouldn't be a problem.


As for your leveling issues, yeah, either find the right driver to tighten down those screws, or you could try vienisas idea of propping up the rail. There are other X-axis support ideas out there, some even involving counterweights, and many have been discussed in previous threads here.

I still maintain that XYZ's procedure is flawed because it doesn't take into account the fact that the axis WILL sag a little right after tightening. Anyone who's tuned a guitar knows that you sometimes have to tune above or below your target depending on the direction of change, because some natural slippage of the tuner or the string that will fight your change.

Same thing here. You might have to raise the right side a tiny bit too far so that once you remove your power brick (or other square object) it doesn't just fall right back down to where it was.

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Re: X-Xaxis leveling on the Junior 1.0

Anthem wrote:

For filament I'm currently using a couple of these: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:629381

But they do require purchasing some 608zz bearings. Generally I'm a fan of the "spool on a stick" style of holder, though. If the stick is thin enough (and not made of rubber) friction shouldn't be a problem.


As for your leveling issues, yeah, either find the right driver to tighten down those screws, or you could try vienisas idea of propping up the rail. There are other X-axis support ideas out there, some even involving counterweights, and many have been discussed in previous threads here.

I still maintain that XYZ's procedure is flawed because it doesn't take into account the fact that the axis WILL sag a little right after tightening. Anyone who's tuned a guitar knows that you sometimes have to tune above or below your target depending on the direction of change, because some natural slippage of the tuner or the string that will fight your change.

Same thing here. You might have to raise the right side a tiny bit too far so that once you remove your power brick (or other square object) it doesn't just fall right back down to where it was.

I'm going to try propping up the right side - seems like I'll need to eventually.
I went out and got some calipers, and I'm trying to get a good measurement on the correct gap between the rail and the shelf below it so I can print a little block to wedge in.