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Topic: Full colour 3D printers?

I've only just released PhotoToMeshV4 http://www.ransen.com/PhotoToMesh/new.htm and I've got a customer asking about printing in colour!

So, full colour 3D printers...

Are they accessible to the general user?
How much do they cost?
Above all what format to they use?

The customer mentioned obj and VRLM, but surely VRML is not ideal for 3d printers?

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lithophanes from your photos and images
http://www.ransen.com/PhotoToMesh

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Re: Full colour 3D printers?

hi, zprint uses obj or vrml and texture for color print. is not very easy for filament printer to obtain a good color because:
1) there are not 3 head printer (rgb) or 4 head (cmyk)
2) you need to mix the color of three color filament and then extrude
3) the dimension of the minimal part of the filament is very big, so you cant have good resolution in color.

replicatorbot 2 has 2 colors head but it's far from the solution.

have a nice day

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algosuk wrote:

hi, zprint uses obj or vrml ... 2 has 2 colors head but it's far from the solution....

So you are saying I should wait a while...?
(Not that I could have got a new release out before Christmas!)

Author of  PhotoToMesh, for making bas-reliefs and
lithophanes from your photos and images
http://www.ransen.com/PhotoToMesh

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owenransen wrote:

So, full colour 3D printers...

Are they accessible to the general user?

If you have deep pockets...

owenransen wrote:

How much do they cost?

see above about deep pockets...

The Zcorp machine I worked with ran our office about 40,000 new when we got it.

owenransen wrote:

Above all what format to they use?

any of these...

Stl, Vrml, Ply, 3dS, FBX, ZPr

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DePartedPrinter wrote:

The Zcorp machine I worked with ran our office about 40,000 new when we got it.

any of these...

Stl, Vrml, Ply, 3dS, FBX, ZPr

$40,000!

But does STL have a standard way of defining color?

Author of  PhotoToMesh, for making bas-reliefs and
lithophanes from your photos and images
http://www.ransen.com/PhotoToMesh

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Re: Full colour 3D printers?

owenransen wrote:
DePartedPrinter wrote:

The Zcorp machine I worked with ran our office about 40,000 new when we got it.

any of these...

Stl, Vrml, Ply, 3dS, FBX, ZPr

$40,000!

But does STL have a standard way of defining color?

not for a z corp, you need to use VRML or ZPR

...at least thats what we had to use when I printed with the z printer. there might be something else out there now

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Filastruder
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The MCOR Iris prints in full color with paper.  It uses A4 paper, and cuts each outline with a blade before gluing another page on top for the next layer.  It does color by running the pages through an inkjet printer before laminating them.  I don't know the cost, but the non color version leases for something like $300/mo and the price includes unlimited glue and blades.

Staples is lauching an in-store printing service using the MCOR printer starting this year in Europe.  Hopefully it will be successful enough to expand to the US.

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IanJohnson wrote:

The MCOR Iris prints in full color with paper.  It uses A4 paper, and cuts each outline with a blade before gluing another page on top for the next layer.  It does color by running the pages through an inkjet printer before laminating them.  I don't know the cost, but the non color version leases for something like $300/mo and the price includes unlimited glue and blades.

Staples is lauching an in-store printing service using the MCOR printer starting this year in Europe.  Hopefully it will be successful enough to expand to the US.

article with video...

http://www.3ders.org/articles/20121129- … sy-3d.html

SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
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That's pretty cool but wouldn't the end product be pretty useless for any real world application? Unless your just printing out pretty busts...

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They say it's pretty strong, very similar to wood.  If you pick up a pack of printer paper and imagine it all glued together, that makes a pretty solid block of material.  It's like printing 100% infill all the time.   It won't be waterproof, but you could fix that with some kind of coating.

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I can certainly some some useful applications. Architectural models, busts, geographical models. But I don't think k it would be very useful for what most of us would want to make. I plan on making robot parts, rc parts. Cosplay costume parts. I think abs is a much better suited material for those types of applications.

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If I won the lottery, something like this would be what I would get:

http://objet.com/3d-printers/connex/objet1000

Large size, multiple colour AND material all in the one machine. Does silicone and rubber parts in the same part as well as hard ABS like plastic.

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IanJohnson wrote:

The MCOR Iris prints in full color with paper.

I read that this costs $15K/year, but with free supplies (paper and ink)

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So the machine prints a sheet of paper with whatever colour is required, cuts it out to the correct shape, and pastes it to the previous layer, and repeats? I wonder if it uses support material or how it deals with overhangs?

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THAT is very cool.

I guess this would be more suited for models not meant to be functional or used in any way, just as visual representations.

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Interestingly idea. The thing that gets me is the massive wastage for each part.

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It lays the paper down, makes the cuts, sprays glue onto it in a tight pattern where the object is, and in a loose pattern outside the object.  Then it lays the next page down and makes the cuts for that layer, etc.  Overhangs aren't a problem because they are supported by the sheets underneath which I assume get no glue at that position.

I didn't realize that they had their own special paper developed, but that makes sense.  They originally said that they used ordinary office paper, but they could need something that cuts clean and doesn't leave loose fibers on the edges.

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Massive wastage? Surely they just pulp the paper afterwards. No different from fringing up extruded abs prints and remedying those as filament.


I saw a you tube video of a epoxy bount powder printer, that just used a regular inkjet head to colour the powder after it's been glued.

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Well I suppose it depends entirely on whether or not they recycle the scraps. Those demo videos show the equivalent of an A4 ream of paper for something a couple of inches wide.

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From the video link, it seems that Staples owns the company that is making the paper.  I wonder if they will be able to use the scrap from their print services in its manufacture.  They have the advantage of having recycled material that matches the final output, rather than a mishmash.

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Maybe we spoke too soon

http://reprappro.com/Tricolour_Mendel

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It's still one color at a time.  BFB printers have had 3 extruders for a long time, though for a lot more money.   Color blending has been done, but without much control.