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Topic: Newbie Here, Suggestions on Used Printer

Hi All!

My name is Connor, I am a Mechanical Engineer over at Gonzaga University (Go Zags!). We have some great printers on campus, but being that I am in the summer part now, I am left wanting to print with no access for 4 months. I'm looking to purchase my own personal printer that can match my skills and handle what I want to do.

Being a college student, I am hit with a very hard decision of budget versus quality. I want to be able to print small parts for my car, boat, and computer. I would also like to be able to make some products for friends in need, like phone cases, pen holders, etc. So I'd like something with a good print quality overall. I don't care about efficiency, and I'm a pretty quick learner who can handle himself when it comes to new things, so I'm not too scared of anything advanced.

I am looking at a used setup through local classifieds. My options are:

• Hesine 505a Prusa i3 3D Printer with 2x 1kg ABS Rolls of Filament - $400 [87.3 hrs]

• XYZ da Vinci 2.0 Duo - $400 [Only Printed 3 things]

• Solidoodle 3 - $ 350 [Used, replacement parts already printed]

After doing some research, it seems like all these choices are really sort of bad. I need something that can do 5" long parts, so the M3D Mirco is also off the table. I can spend about $600 on a Printer, maybe more if I really am in love with it.

I love that the Duo has dual color ability, but it seems like their products suck. Solidoodle has gone out of business, and a business doesn't just collapse for no reason. I'm skeptical on the Prusa i3 as there are too many kits to really tell if it's a good deal or not.

I think that each price is just a ballpark, all the owners seem to be willing to come down in their pricing.

What would you guys choose if you were in my situation? Thanks for the help and I look forward to posting on here more! smile

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Re: Newbie Here, Suggestions on Used Printer

IMHO, I tend to agree with your thought process.

I do not like the Prusa much. Older versions were very primitive. Newer ones are better, but still built off that platform.

The XYZ has fans and detractors. Quality and service are both of concern. With that being said, they are still in business so there is some support. Either with the XYZ or Solidoodle you will probably be relying on the community for support. The dual color is less necessary and useful than you would think. Nice to have, but don't let it make the decision.

Solidoodle went out of business because of bad customer service and poor business decisions. The printers were generally pretty good for what they were. Especially the 3's and 4's that were still built in Brooklyn. However, having them actually be defunct could cause you problems later getting spare parts. Having an extra set of pieces already printed is helpful.

Up to you, but I would probably go with the Solidoodle, but it would not be wrong to go with the XYZ.

Solidoodle 4-Mostly stock running off headless Raspberry Pi with Octoprint

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Re: Newbie Here, Suggestions on Used Printer

I'd go with the SD, plenty of support here and lots of replacement/upgrade parts readily available.  With the correct mods it'll be capable of quality equivalent to a much more expensive machine.  We have a community store to keep you printing along nicely.
http://www.printitindustries.com/

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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Re: Newbie Here, Suggestions on Used Printer

Thanks Morganism for the quick response.

Those were my two favorites of the three, I really felt like asking here for some better advice so thank you! In no way am I dying to get one in my workshop today, so I am not going to drop $XXX on a printer without knowing what I'll get and being happy.

I like the XYZ for the more capabilities, but NewEgg holds a solid 3/5 stars. The Solidoodle looks good from what I've seen on videos and reviews. However, it scares me how many people have said the build quality is junk and you have to reprint all the pieces because they come very cheap.

You have the Solidoodle 4? How is the print quality? Would you be comfortable selling the items you print? (I find that's the best measurement of quality, haha!)

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Hi WardJR,

Thanks for the response. Sounds awesome! My parents own a print shop (paper, not plastic), so I know how hard it is when they have machines that break or need support. Definitely the scariest thing about buying new consumer tech.

I like community support more than customer usually, sadly, it's easier to get info through pages like this rather than calling someone who has less knowledge than people here!

Definitely leans my vote to the Solidoodle 3...

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Re: Newbie Here, Suggestions on Used Printer

Another candidate may be a Robo3D R1, has 60 hours on it, comes with multiple rolls of filament and he's asking $750.00.

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Re: Newbie Here, Suggestions on Used Printer

For a bang for your buck scenario the SD3 still gets my vote.  There's a good chance we are familiar with that exact machine.  Tell us what mods have been done and we will guide you to perfection.  I have 3 SD3's and without question (after proper mods and calibration) I would and do sell parts that it creates.  All the printed plastic parts are available (printed on SD2&3's) at the same store listed above.  We've not had any quality complaints yet.

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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Re: Newbie Here, Suggestions on Used Printer

Update on my situation, spoke to the owner of the device (SD3), I am going to be getting a few rolls of filament tossed in as well as extra hardware and electronic pieces for $290USD. Seems like a pretty good deal to me, excited to pick it up sometime soon! Will let you guys know when I get it and start printing. smile

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Hi Connor 1+ Ward

I have built a couple of Prusa's from scratch for a few friends. I got an itch for a machine of my own and opted for the SD4 on Ebay knowing it was doomed from a support point of view at the right price. The reason I chose it was the basic frame and platform really, That's the only proprietary things really and unless you are going to run over them they won't go wrong. The rest of the parts are just off the shelf, ideas. ingenuity and enthusiasm you will get right here ;-)

SD4 - Soon to be a frankenstein

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Re: Newbie Here, Suggestions on Used Printer

Cool, welcome to the forum.

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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Re: Newbie Here, Suggestions on Used Printer

of the printers you had listed, my choice would also be the SD3.

Yes, Solidoodle the company is gone, BUT - replacement parts are easy to get (i never did need to order anything from SD directly with two of the SD4s). and with Printit Industries filling the gap with parts for pretty much all of the SD2, 3 & 4 lines, it is even easier now. wink
and if you need something that Printit doesnt carry (yet), just ask, someone can point you in the right direction.

Print quality can be outstanding if you take the time to calibrate well & learn the software

just as an example...printed with Inland brand Silver PLA on one of my SD4s...

http://soliforum.com/i/?7ty9Ai4.jpg

http://soliforum.com/i/?LQ6lObQ.jpg

and a Chess set printed in Octave ABS...

http://soliforum.com/i/?G6kTyJY.jpg

close up of a few pieces - no supports were used to print any of these..

http://soliforum.com/i/?Cpp5uSa.jpg

SD4 #1 & #2 - Lawsy carriages, E3D v6, Rumba controller board, mirror bed plate, X motor fan, upgraded PSU & Mica bed heater
SD4 #3 - in the works ~ Folgertech FT-5, rev 1
Printit Industries Beta Tester - Horizon H1

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Re: Newbie Here, Suggestions on Used Printer

Update on my situation, spoke to the owner of the device (SD3), I am going to be getting a few rolls of filament tossed in as well as extra hardware and electronic pieces for $290USD. Seems like a pretty good deal to me, excited to pick it up sometime soon! Will let you guys know when I get it and start printing. smile

First off all welcome!! second of all congratulations on your first printer.  And thirdly  given those choices
and prices I would definitely gone with the SD3 .

With any printer make sure it is mechanically sound . Screws and belts tight proper lube axis square and free to move then learn to tune the software and the electronics.

As noted in my sig line I have an SD4 and a FT prusa 2020 upgraded to a titan and ed3v6.
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Soliddoodle 4 stock w glass bed------Folger Tech Prusa 2020 upgraded to and titan /aero extruder mirror bed
FT5 with titan/ E3D Aero------MP mini select w glass bed
MP Utimate maker pro-W bondtech extruder
Marlin/Repetier Host/ Slic3r and Cura

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Re: Newbie Here, Suggestions on Used Printer

Thanks all, so far I have been loving my SD3! I think I made the right choice! I was able to successfully get prints going after about 30 minutes of re-calibrating everything. I have been able to do a small piston, some brackets, and a bunch of tiny keychains I've pulled from some open-licence webpaged. I am still experiencing some weird printing issues, sometimes I get very profound gaps as well as some other mishaps, such as my perfect circles coming out more like squares, but that just means I need to play with it more!http://soliforum.com/i/?wNTIIYi.jpg
http://soliforum.com/i/?rPuMuqX.jpg

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Re: Newbie Here, Suggestions on Used Printer

Give us more details and pictures that show the flaws and we can guide you to the solutions.
Glad to here you're liking it so far.

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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Re: Newbie Here, Suggestions on Used Printer

Okay, I printed something up really fast. I pulled this off of Thingiverse, it is Thing: 177645, a Jeep Grille made by ReplikaPrinting.

First, the headlights (larger circles) are not taking a perfect circle shape as it seems the original STL part is, they are deformed quite significantly. The lower square parts of the grille are pretty decent, though could be sharper. Hopefully in the photos you can see the gaps I am talking about, I won't know until I upload though.

I am using Repetier-Host and Black 1.75mm ABS, printing at 217c (roll recommends 210c-230c) and have the heating bed at 105c.

http://soliforum.com/i/?p5Z1nlf.jpg
http://soliforum.com/i/?PTi18Px.jpg
http://soliforum.com/i/?NtnZkSw.jpg

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Re: Newbie Here, Suggestions on Used Printer

You need to print a simple circle and tell us the orientation of the part as it was printed.
But I will assume it is the Y axis that is causing you the issues.  Start by ensuring the set screws on all the dive pulleys are snug.  Make sure your belts are properly tensioned and equal.
Double check that the X axis moves perfectly perpendicular to the y axis.  Pull it forward and compare it to the front angle of the frame as you move the X carriage left and right.

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions