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Topic: need help to chose my next printer

hi,

I have at the moment 3 3d printer

my first was a sd3 with most mods, lawsy carriage, mk5 extruder , Ed6 hot end glass bed... but at the moment is is not working...
did a post on the exact issus...

http://www.soliforum.com/topic/13372/ed … d-problem/

The second is a muve3d sls resin printer... working great so far...

The last is a microdelta, good little printer, but to small build plate to be of real use, good backup thought.

So what I need is a printer that offer reliability, large build plate, a good resolution, for very fine detail I have the resin printer...

I'm realy torn betwen the atom 2.0 and the ultimaker. 2+.. leaning toward atom because of price and delta accuracy ...

Is there a printer( not a kit) that is worth those 2 but vastly cheaper ?

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Re: need help to chose my next printer

Elmoret Just put me on this.

http://3dprint.com/81892/bigbox-kickstarter/

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hi thank for the link i had my eyes on it but i completly forgot...

The problem is the acrylic or plywood...
I have also seen this intresting review and the cracks are a real issus espesialy with such big volume...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkkVk8c8XoU

but the price is very intresting...

4 Reply by n2ri (edited by n2ri 2016-03-22 06:25:59)

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Re: need help to chose my next printer

sigiel wrote:

hi thank for the link i had my eyes on it but i completly forgot...

The problem is the acrylic or plywood...
I have also seen this intresting review and the cracks are a real issus espesialy with such big volume...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkkVk8c8XoU

but the price is very intresting...

agreed they missed the mark some with the easy to damage frame parts and the 8mm rods its like the SD3 which just used a bigger bed on an SD2 now stretched it more with double supports but less ridged frame/bed materials. also no enclosure is offered nor feasibly made with things like the LCD screen sitting smack in center of an opening, lots of vents/holes in back etc. also it looks like its made for half sized filament rolls instead of full sized. and adding fume vent may be a challenge too. I dont think omitting these features cut costs that much and most buyers would prefer they had not omitted them in that price range and size printer. even Solidoodle messed up using acrylic parts on their SD2 etc and this unit says it does longer hotter prints with exotic filaments, since the one reviewed cracked several times just unpacking and assembling it likely would self destruct with much use. metal frame parts should be standard on all 3D printers by now if for only the fact they get hot enough to melt/burn wood/plastic. can you imagine all the splits an ABS print that size would have by the time it finished? maybe more than the Acrylic printer, LMAO

also they done good keeping elctronics and Z motors cool in botom with cooling fans dumping warm air into build box, but not so good for X,Y and extruder motors with no cooling but still in warm build box area and no metal heat sink mounting either. Boden extruder would help this but X & Y motors still need cooled even more so with large, long prints.

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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Re: need help to chose my next printer

Sigiel, how big does the build space need to be? That might be an issue with Robox at 8" x 6" x 4" but, if not, you'll be hard pressed to find a nicer printer for <$1500. It makes excellent prints quickly and dependably. You don't have to dink with it, it just works, right out of the box. Lots of cool engineering there.

http://www.cel-robox.com/technical/

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Re: need help to chose my next printer

http://wanhaousa.com/products/duplicato … l-exoframe

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Re: need help to chose my next printer

Heartlander wrote:

http://wanhaousa.com/products/duplicato … l-exoframe

I don't have hard evidence but based on my machine and the fact that all the parts a Wanhao supplier sales will fit it, my guess is that that the company that actually makes Wanhao is the same one that makes CTC. I say this because proprietary parts that they use are identical and fit like a glove.

I think CT'c, the original and not the CTC the copycats that sold under this CTC umbrella got tired of the copy cats and rebranded to Wanhao to set them selves apart from the many cloners.

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Re: need help to chose my next printer

The ALDI printer (the grocery store ALDI) is a relabeled WANHAO i3

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Re: need help to chose my next printer

Heartlander wrote:

The ALDI printer (the grocery store ALDI) is a relabeled WANHAO i3


LMAO are you kidding? Aldi also sells 3D printers with the electronic junk isle too? they should just stick to food items, same for Savealot stores that merged with Deals used to be Dollar deals, now both stores share products lol. too funny

Solidoodle 2 with Deluxe kit cover & glass bed with heater. and 2nd board SD2 used not 3rd and alum platform not installed yet still wood. also need cooling fan installed to board. use Repetier Host couple vers. Slic3r also have all free ware STL programs

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Heartlander wrote:

The ALDI printer (the grocery store ALDI)...

lol

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Re: need help to chose my next printer

Hey, I don't make the news, I just report it. Actually the Maker Muse guy seems pretty impressed with the WANHAO/Aldi unit. But, Aldi only sells them in Australia for now. No jokes about them putting their printer "down under".

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Re: need help to chose my next printer

and its $500 but very skimpy design PLA only with no way to close out cold air

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Re: need help to chose my next printer

n2ri wrote:

and its $500 but very skimpy design PLA only with no way to close out cold air

not true - where there is a will, there is a way. wink

have seen a lot of people using Ikea end tables to make enclosures for similar printers

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Re: need help to chose my next printer

Nah, it has a heated bed and can print PLA / ABS / PVA / HIPS

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15 Reply by sigiel (edited by sigiel 2016-03-28 05:45:07)

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thank for the link,

I have seen a youtube review of the aldi... good printer but not in the same cat as ultimaker and the atom 2

I have been contacted by the atom 2 sale manager, who offered me a very tempting deal...

to preorder and beta test the atom 2.5 (heated bed+ dual feed extruder as well as slight design changes)

for 1800$ pretty sweet. i have seen the ultimaker, and recently learn that there hot  end have part that you have to change evry x print (some insulation stuff) that is a big no  no.

I did not get the formlab for this exact reason. So no ultimaker ...

I will take the atom 2.5 but they ship by mid june, so with the saving (about 800) I'm looking for someting that will  till then

print in 0.1 easly.
a heated bed
20x20x?? print surface.
may be dual extruder?
and can print  24/7 or close

The bigbox seem to fit the bill, but acrylic is meh, and the printing 24/7 is unknown.

the robox is not tall enought, and the all automated is kinda sucpisious for me.

the duplicator look nice but I cannot take both the atom and the dupli...

I realy looked and the atom seem to be a one of the kind. but what convinced me was the video showing the hot end assembly.
that a very sexy hotend... Titanium....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPo0glnRIy8...

I still have a week to decide though.

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Why is acrylic meh? No one has reported any cracking from use. It is also 2/3rds the price of even your Atom deal. 

Titanium offers no benefits at all when you slide a PTFE liner down the inside. That hotend is functionally equal to a $35 Lite6.

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This review say otherwise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkkVk8c8XoU

Acrylic is brittle full stop.  Bigger part more chance to crack.

The Atom hot end is not just a titanium thing with ptfe.  what I do like is the ceramic heater and  The position of the termistor  + the general shape.

I have the ed6 all metal (not the lite) and there is the PTFE liner too. So what yours argument there ?

I'm not compairing the big box to the atom. Not the same ligue.

But again the price is hard to beat (big box). I'm considering but need more data.

I have 2 printer that I  bought oversee (I live in france) and all had problem with shipping. one was a kit; the other was build.
I realy fear for the transport.

More I have not seen user printed part. and can it print 24/7 ? ultimaker can do it, atom too.

Do anybody know any  good Core xY kit  ?

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Yes, I'm aware of Tom's review. I said that cracks have not occurred as a result of *use*, not shipping damage (which was the case for Tom's). I have followed the BigBox closely, as a Kickstarter backer and a moderator on their forums.

My point about the hotends is that Atom's offers no advantage over a dirt cheap Lite6. The E3Dv6 does not have a PTFE liner in the hot zone, so it is different (and better) than the Atom design. The other items you pointed out (general shape, etc) offer no actual advantage in use.

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If you are ok with PLA and 910 nylon instead of ABS, then the Robo 3D R1 http://robo3d.com is a low maintenance and reliable printer with a large build volume and all metal extruder for $800.  It looks like there's a "plus" model out now, but I've only used the older one.