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Topic: What grease do you use?

Hi.

How often do you find that you have to grease the metal rods?  I orderded, and am trying to use, this:

Permatex 81981 White Lithium Grease, 12 oz. Aerosol Can.  (The Aerosol was a bad idea, I clearly need something else).

But, depending on the model, the printer seems to have a hard time getting through even one model after I apply it.  This is especially true for small models, where the head goes back and forth over a small area.

What grease do you use, and how often do you need to apply it?

Thank you
Dan

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Re: What grease do you use?

A lithium grease paste, but you should only need to apply every few months.   What is your printer doing?  There might be a problem with belt tension, rod alignment, or a pulley rubbing somewhere.  It isn't going to be because the rods need lubrication.  It sounds like excessive lubrication is letting the printer get along temporarily despite another problem.

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The printer prints fine for a while.  Then it makes a funny sound, perhaps the motor is doing it, perhaps something else.  Whatever it is, it causes the print head to go off track.  For example, it'll shift both X and Y by 10 mm or so.. and then it will continue printing.  But now it's lost its position, so it print incorrectly.

The reason I think it's the grease is because I can fairly easily replicate it.  I had to replace the entire rod assembly, as mine was broken. The replacement wasn't lubricated.  I attempted to move the motor manually (via pronterface) before lubricating it, and it made exactly the same sound.  Putting oil, or grease, on the metal rods, makes the print head move properly.  When not lubricated, it will move, say, 5 mm, instead of the 10 requested.  But applying grease makes it work ok.  For a while.  Then it happens again.

I've ordered the non-spray grease, and will try that. But it looks like most of it gets pushed out of the way, towards the edges, as the head moves around.  Does yours do the same thing?

I guess it could be something else, but whatever it is, adding grease to the rods makes it go away.  Do you think overly tight rubber belt would do this?  I wasn't sure how tight to make it when I replaced it.  It does print ok otherwise.

Dan

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If the belt tension isn't even on both sides, it would be trying to pull it out of alignment which would add friction to the bushings on the left side Y carriage.  Did you have to re-tighten the belts when you replaced the rod assembly?

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I had to put on an assembly with new belts, so, yes, I did have to re-tighten.  They seem about the same.  Is there a good way to calibrate their tension?

Thank you for your help.
Dan

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I'm working on a replacement for the bushings with bearings.

I honestly think the bushings and belt tension is related to 90% of my failed printed parts.

I've emailed support, but they just don't answer me anymore.

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I get crazy squeaking if I don't watch the lube on the rails, the Y axis seems to be the worst by far and I have even noticed some discoloration (stress whitening) of the ABS plastic near the bushings...guess I better start printing several of those "free design" printers before it becomes to late and I have to start replacing parts on this machine at who knows what cost.

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Well, I think the grease was a red herring.  Turns out I fat fingered a number in the start.gcode and the carriage was bumping against a screw.  *sigh*

But now I seem to have a major clog that I just can't get out.  I've tried all suggestions on the forum (except the take apart and torch it).  There really should be an easier way. sad

Dan

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I recently had a clog on another printer and solved it by sharpening the point of a paper clip until it would just fit through the nozzle. I twisted the other end into a nice handle and was able to free the blockage immediately (after an hour of stuffing around unsuccessfully before that).

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I really hope solidoodle is looking into these issues with missing steps. Really starting to scare me as if I might be throwing money into something with bugs that still need to be worked out.

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I've printed a whole bunch of stuff now and the only times I've had missing steps were due to operator error:
-Tangled filament stopping y axis from moving.
-Failure to remove previous part, nozzle smashed into it.
-Hit wrong button in software when manually moving the print head.

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Has anyone tried a moly disulphide grease, like engine assembly paste ?
more expensive but it bonds with metal, it lasts the life of a motor in the bearings etc..

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devilman2075 wrote:

I really hope solidoodle is looking into these issues with missing steps. Really starting to scare me as if I might be throwing money into something with bugs that still need to be worked out.

I don't expect a perfect solution, i figure there will be bugs to work out..
if its only software though, how scary can it be ?

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just a thought, this thread woukd be better in 'repair and maintenance' i reckon.
I was in the hardware store today and bought '3 in 1' dry lubricant with PTFE.

I will have a read up to make sure it can handle the oressure in the linear bearings, i remember it being good stuff though used sparingly..

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some good notes here too ..
http://reprap.org/wiki/Lubrication

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I am just using regular bike grease.  "Park Tool" and "Finish Line" both make bicycle grease that should work for the rails.  As the artical above stated: don't use WD40!


-Aron

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Aron wrote:

I am just using regular bike grease.  "Park Tool" and "Finish Line" both make bicycle grease that should work for the rails.  As the artical above stated: don't use WD40!


-Aron

yup. seems that's what comes on the printers from the factory. in a few weeks i'll probably clean it all off and replace with white lithium or some PTFE grease, but seems to be working great for now


to add to the WD-40 thing. its amazing how many people don't realize that WD-40 isn't even a lubricant at all. its a penatrant and a rust inhibitor primarily. you NEVER want to use it on any fine tolerance machine parts because it varnishes into a film that interferes with clearance. heard horror stories of rednecks using it to lube their guns etc.

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does silicone lubricant works? i got some from changing my car's break.. was wondering if i can use it

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I just tried some last night on my idler pulleys since they are hard to get to and it seemed to be okay. Lithium grease is still the way to go IMO. I think that the silicone lubricant will be too light.

Someone who owned a farm once told me," nothin' ever broke 'cuz it had too much greez' "

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Ultra lube white lithium grease from Lowe's. It's bio based. Soy bean or something. Has PTFE.

As for skips, my printer will skip within ten minutes flat if I don't turn on my controller fan. I'm going to hard wire it to my printer so I don't keep forgetting to plug it in, right after I finish painting the windows, cleaning up the garage....

Other folks have no issues with skips devilman2075, and you may not either. My printer needs cooling, period. Without it it skips. With it it doesn't.

See the following thread for more info. http://www.soliforum.com/topic/2566/yax … r-newbies/

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I've been reading up on lubrication and I just want to point out that one major point is to not use anything petroleum based. I bring it up because, for the most part, everyone, everywhere simply says "Use Lithium Grease." Maybe I got some bad info but my research shows MOST LITHIUM GREASE CONTAINS PETROLEUM! I didn't know that until I had already lubed my printer l;ast night and spent my whole day at work worried about weather I just ruined my printer. I see on my MSDS Sheet that it has all kinds of petroliem in it. My printer seems A OK but I'm waiting for disaster to strike at any moment.

I'm fairly new to a lot of this so I may be mistaken but my MSDS doesn't lie. I'm glad I have a whole set of parts printed. I just hope I don't have to use them because I simply used "Lithium Grease" as recommended not knowing there are lots of different types of it and very few are suitable for use on your solidoodle.  I just figured the way it was always mentioned that, Lithium was the alternative to petroleum. That, and I've seen brands that with warnings that specified it did contain petroleum which, led me to believe that it was not a common ingredient in Lithium Grease.

Maybe some one could clarify this for me? Is it true that most lithium grease contains petroleum? If so why are people using it when petroleum eats plastic?  I just think people (Like the SD website for example) should be a little more specific when mentioning these sort of things. Like specifying "White Lithium Grease" or "Petroleum Free" or whatever instead of simply saying, "use lithium grease."   I feel like I may have gotten lucky this time so I just want to help out any other newbies like me before they go ahead and think "It's lithium grease, that's all that matters." Be very sure to buy a brand that does not contain Petroleum.

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Relax... I'm sure your printer will be just fine.  I would like to point out that more isn't always better.  I recently bought two used SD3's from users on this forum.  Both of them were way over greased.  One of them came with two whole tubes of grease that came in a three pack.  Wanna guess where the other tube was?  If you apply the appropriate amount to the rods the only plastic that comes in contact with it are the little white blocks.  Everything else is metal on metal unless you use too much grease.  Of course grease is petroleum based it's grease.  Some is just more compatable with plastic.  So now that you've lubed everything with grease you can wipe 90% of it off.  Then you'll have the right amount of lubrication.
Those little white blocks seem to handle petroleum just fine.  I don't know what they are made of but it isn't ABS.

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Thanks Ward. I did know not to over lube so i'm good there. i got a little on my z axsis mod and it hasnt harmed it at all so I'm pretty sure I just hit the panic button. The little white blocks are teflon. wink

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Well I have just been using a tube of white lithium grease from lowes I originally got to grease the windows.  It seems to work just fine, but I notice that the printer is a lot happier if I clean and redo after about 10 hours of print time.  It seems to get dirty really fast, which I am guessing is from the outgassing of the ABS.

If you put a lot of grease on its just going to get pushed out to the ends 5 seconds later, so there is no point in that.