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Topic: Printing with no glue

hi everyone
i never use glue and i haven't had a problem yet
is it necessary?
thx

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Re: Printing with no glue

NoHands wrote:

hi everyone
i never use glue and i haven't had a problem yet
is it necessary?
thx

Have you printed a large object that takes more than 50% of your bed? Have you printed a very dense object with very wide walls or even solid?

Actually the glue is old school. Now the happening thing is Aquanet Hairspray.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
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Re: Printing with no glue

i've printed thick walls but nothing more than 50% of the bed 
is it bad for the printer?

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Re: Printing with no glue

The glue won't harm your printer at all, it's just a bit of a pain in the butt to clean.
But if you try to print anything using ABS without glue, you'll start to see problems with the bottom warping or lifting off the bed.
The problem gets worse with large prints and objects with corners.
I use glue 99% of the time, even with PLA. It more or less guarantees the print sticking to the bed as long as your bed height is good too.

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Simplify3d, 123D Design, Meshmixer
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Re: Printing with no glue

I use sugar water (1 part sugar dissolved in 2-3 parts water). Ratio isn't that precise. Works great for PLA, ABS, and PETG. Put a small amount (nickel-quarter size puddle) in center of clean bed, spread with a paper towel, heat up bed and go. Parts come off easily after cooling back down. Don't try to remove warm or you will remove the sugar coating/crack your glass. Usually replace every 10-15 prints or if I notice it not sticking as well.

DaVinci 1.0 w/ repetier firmware, Andy's Carriage, E3D V6, Filastruder #1956, Filawinder

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Sugar water is a good idea.  I have not tried it, but it sounds like it would work very well.  If I haven't had so much success with Ultem (PEI) I might have gone the sugar route.

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evanalmighty wrote:

Sugar water is a good idea.  I have not tried it, but it sounds like it would work very well.  If I haven't had so much success with Ultem (PEI) I might have gone the sugar route.


If you live in Texas or any of the southern states DON'T try sugar water unless you want fire ants becoming full time residents in your home or print space. Enough to cover a bed on a printer will give off enough odor to bring them from miles around. I would stick with hairspray myself. It works great and you will actually hear the part pop loose once the temp gets below 40 or so and it will lift off with no effort.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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How do you apply hairspray? Spraying directly on the bed seems like it would eventually gunk up the inside of the Da Vinci.

DaVinci 1.0 w/ repetier firmware, Andy's Carriage, E3D V6, Filastruder #1956, Filawinder

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Re: Printing with no glue

prpickett wrote:

How do you apply hairspray? Spraying directly on the bed seems like it would eventually gunk up the inside of the Da Vinci.


I no longer use a Da Vinci but most just make a cardboard shield while spraying.. Or you get a different glass plate which is what the rest of us do to protect the stock one as it is very hard to source. Then you just take it out, spray it and put it back in. Once sprayed it is good for a week or more of printing. Just go to a glass shop and get them to cut 3mm thick tempered glass to the stock bed dimensions. All you have to do is adjust your z offset to compensate for the additional 3 mm. The mounting tabs on the stock glass can be used as the screws are long enough.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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Re: Printing with no glue

carl_m1968 wrote:
prpickett wrote:

How do you apply hairspray? Spraying directly on the bed seems like it would eventually gunk up the inside of the Da Vinci.


I no longer use a Da Vinci but most just make a cardboard shield while spraying.. Or you get a different glass plate which is what the rest of us do to protect the stock one as it is very hard to source. Then you just take it out, spray it and put it back in. Once sprayed it is good for a week or more of printing. Just go to a glass shop and get them to cut 3mm thick tempered glass to the stock bed dimensions. All you have to do is adjust your z offset to compensate for the additional 3 mm. The mounting tabs on the stock glass can be used as the screws are long enough.

Carl,

You answered several questions I have been asking myself in that one succinct post, thank you!

Why did you give up on the Da Vinci?

I have heard so much about Blue painters tape that I thought I would try it last night.  Well, I didn't have any, so I tried Green Frog Tape... it was a mess and a pain to put on the non-removable bed.

So you're suggestion is to unscrew the extra 3mm glass about once a week and spray it with aquanet?

I'd love a way to hold the bed without those clips... they limit my y axis!

Da Vinci 1.0a.  Repetier 0.92.  E3D V6.  Titan Extruder.  Sllic3r.  Octoprint on Raspberry Pi B+.

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Another option is to use kapton tape and glue.
That means you just need to peel the tape off when you need to renew it and saves having to clean the bed.

Davinci 1.0 with repetier firmware & E3D V6 Lite
Anycubic Photon DLP printer, Einscan-S 3D scanner
Simplify3d, 123D Design, Meshmixer
http://www.thingiverse.com/scobo/designs

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Re: Printing with no glue

carl_m1968 wrote:
evanalmighty wrote:

Sugar water is a good idea.  I have not tried it, but it sounds like it would work very well.  If I haven't had so much success with Ultem (PEI) I might have gone the sugar route.


If you live in Texas or any of the southern states DON'T try sugar water unless you want fire ants becoming full time residents in your home or print space. Enough to cover a bed on a printer will give off enough odor to bring them from miles around. I would stick with hairspray myself. It works great and you will actually hear the part pop loose once the temp gets below 40 or so and it will lift off with no effort.

Hear, hear ! That is exactly what I do.

Konrad (Houston)

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Talking about glue.
I've been printing on the tape that came with the Davinci Pro, painters tape, kapton and now on glass.

The glass is nice, cause I can take it off the bed with ease, and clean it easily in the sink.
I still use some glue (from Pritt).

Question. When do you guys put the glue on? When the bed is hot or when it's still cold?

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Username wrote:

Talking about glue.
I've been printing on the tape that came with the Davinci Pro, painters tape, kapton and now on glass.

The glass is nice, cause I can take it off the bed with ease, and clean it easily in the sink.
I still use some glue (from Pritt).

Question. When do you guys put the glue on? When the bed is hot or when it's still cold?

I put mine on when its's cold

Da Vinci  AiO with firmware 1.1.1 using xyzscan 1.1.18
E3Dv6 hotend with custom carriage with Borosilicate glass bed
123D Design and Simplify3D, Replaced PS with a Solidgear Flex320
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I use elmer's gluestick and if you need to clean the bed, just wet a paper towel and wipe it off... if it is thick, wet it and use the scraper to get the heavy stuff off then wipe it clean,, it isn't hard.

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Re: Printing with no glue

I'd like to get another piece of glass that is easily removable for hairspray, but make it slightly larger and modify the clips so that they hold the glass OUTSIDE of the printing bed, so I get my full 200mm.  Has anyone attempted something like that?

Edit: Similar to this i suppose:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjxPnECQ7_E

Da Vinci 1.0a.  Repetier 0.92.  E3D V6.  Titan Extruder.  Sllic3r.  Octoprint on Raspberry Pi B+.

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Telemachus wrote:

I'd like to get another piece of glass that is easily removable for hairspray, but make it slightly larger and modify the clips so that they hold the glass OUTSIDE of the printing bed, so I get my full 200mm.  Has anyone attempted something like that?

Edit: Similar to this i suppose:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjxPnECQ7_E

On the X you could get the full 200 but on the Y you can't as the machine does not allow the head to move the full extent of the X when at the very back of the bed due to the sheet metal frame parts that stick out in the path.


So you will gain some area but not all.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.