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Topic: Things that are impossible to 3D Print

I think I found one.....

A threaded rod, printed horizontally

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Re: Things that are impossible to 3D Print

poppinfresh wrote:

I think I found one.....

A threaded rod, printed horizontally

Should not be any trouble for a well tuned machine and supports. Its nothing more than bridging and a less than 45 angle.

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Re: Things that are impossible to 3D Print

carl_m1968 wrote:
poppinfresh wrote:

I think I found one.....

A threaded rod, printed horizontally

Should not be any trouble for a well tuned machine and supports. Its nothing more than bridging and a less than 45 angle.

That's what I thought.   Until I tried  :-)

PS, my printer prints unbelievably precisely.   Very well tuned printer.
I can print VERY fine accurate threads (vertically)
I would love to see someone print a threaded rod horizontally and tell me how they did it (yes, a challenge)  :-)

4 (edited by dubbsd 2016-01-07 21:52:41)

Re: Things that are impossible to 3D Print

your nozzle diameter  plus squash and layer thickness will determine the width of the thread peek when printed horizontal.

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Re: Things that are impossible to 3D Print

use a powder laser printer. also liquid resin type can print filtered DNA already but unless your wealthy as Bill Gates dont think those are 3D printers you own at home

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n2ri wrote:

use a powder laser printer. also liquid resin type can print filtered DNA already but unless your wealthy as Bill Gates dont think those are 3D printers you own at home

We are talking about using our normal FFF printers most of us own.

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7 (edited by poppinfresh 2016-01-07 23:14:56)

Re: Things that are impossible to 3D Print

Here's the Challenge.....

Print a threaded rod that is.....

Standard FFF 3D Printer priced UNDER $2,000
Threaded on both ends
At least 3 inches in length
Has at least 15mm of threads on both ends
Thread pitch of 1 to 1.5
Maximum diameter of rod 12mm
Maximum diameter of threaded portion 14mm
Printed entirely horizontally

First one to post up a screen shot of the item pre-print, on their 3D platform, their GCode, plus a photo of the threaded rod wins.   Let the games begin !   :-)

8 (edited by carl_m1968 2016-01-07 23:38:43)

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So uhm what do we win besides our printed rod?

Also does it matter the material. I can tell you right now you can print alot of stuff with PET+ that will fail with other materials.

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poppinfresh wrote:

Here's the Challenge.....

Thread pitch of 1 to 1.5

Yeah.. that's going to be tough to do on its side with a 0.4mm nozzle (what I use).  What nozzle are you attempting it with?

10 (edited by poppinfresh 2016-01-08 00:27:30)

Re: Things that are impossible to 3D Print

carl_m1968 wrote:

So uhm what do we win besides our printed rod?

Also does it matter the material. I can tell you right now you can print alot of stuff with PET+ that will fail with other materials.

Your choice....PLA, PET or ABS

The satisfaction of doing something others can't isn't prize enough ?  :-)

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TickTock wrote:
poppinfresh wrote:

Here's the Challenge.....

Thread pitch of 1 to 1.5

Yeah.. that's going to be tough to do on its side with a 0.4mm nozzle (what I use).  What nozzle are you attempting it with?

That's exactly what I was thinking.   I've tried.   I can't do it but I was hoping someone could.

It would sure be handy.   Printing them vertically works fine...but the resulting item is very, very weak due to the fact that any stress along the length tends to snap it at the weakest layer, and that gives many chances to fail.

A rod of any kind printed horizontally would be stronger yes?

When I print two smooth rods of the same length and diameter, the one printed horizontally is always far stronger than the one printed vertically.  (And we all know why of course)

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Re: Things that are impossible to 3D Print

poppinfresh wrote:
TickTock wrote:
poppinfresh wrote:

Here's the Challenge.....

Thread pitch of 1 to 1.5

Yeah.. that's going to be tough to do on its side with a 0.4mm nozzle (what I use).  What nozzle are you attempting it with?

That's exactly what I was thinking.   I've tried.   I can't do it but I was hoping someone could.

It would sure be handy.   Printing them vertically works fine...but the resulting item is very, very weak due to the fact that any stress along the length tends to snap it at the weakest layer, and that gives many chances to fail.

A rod of any kind printed horizontally would be stronger yes?

When I print two smooth rods of the same length and diameter, the one printed horizontally is always far stronger than the one printed vertically.  (And we all know why of course)

Actually it would still be just as weak. The body of the rod would be strong but the threads would not since they would have horizontal layers across their crosssection and the thread would only be as strong as the layer bond not the actual material like the rod. It woul be like building pyramids out of blocks on a concrete slab.

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I'd disagree - the threads on the top and bottom sure, the layer would align with the shear and they would be easy to break off.
But half way up the rod, the threads would be formed from jogs in the perimeter, and be quite continuous and strong.

So there would be weak and strong bits of thread; under tension the strong bits would likely take load even if the weak bits were damaged.

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Re: Things that are impossible to 3D Print

What would you even use printed smooth and threaded rods for? They flex so you would get no stability.

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carl_m1968 wrote:

What would you even use printed smooth and threaded rods for? They flex so you would get no stability.

I've found many uses.   Assembling printed components for example. 
Adjustable devices is another.
This is why I'm so interested in this subject.

I have found through quite a bit of experimentation that rods printed horizontally, threaded or smooth, ALWAYS are stronger than vertically printed rods.  That could be because I'm using S3D.    Maybe another 3D driver would act differently.

Theoretically (I suppose?) if I could print the layers at high enough temp they would fuse together and make the rod stronger.
I'm doing some temp tests now actually.  Another trick might be POST print tempering.   Heating the rod so that the layers fuse together better AFTER the object has finished printing.   Chemical fusing might be another trick.

not sure.  any ideas?

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If you print it in ABS and then do an acetone Vapor bath it should seal the outer layer and make it stronger.

Ultimaker S3.

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dubbsd wrote:

If you print it in ABS and then do an acetone Vapor bath it should seal the outer layer and make it stronger.

That will change its dimensions however and may no longer thread. The vapor finish does cause the outer surface to melt.

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Re: Things that are impossible to 3D Print

3d printing is one way of making an object. The 3d printer is not the only tool in my workshop.  IMHO  3d printing is not the best tool for threaded rods and plastic not the best material for threaded rods.   why not use steel, brass, or aluminum.
Tin

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Re: Things that are impossible to 3D Print

or go to your local hardware store and purchase some threaded rod - it does come in multiple sizes...

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I'll take the bait...

Beer. You cannot 3d print beer.



P.S.-I would be worried that the rotational force on and any 3d printed object would cause it to split between layers.

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Morganism wrote:

I'll take the bait...

Beer. You cannot 3d print beer.

pfffffftt

Easy peasy.  Anyone else?

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heartless wrote:

or go to your local hardware store and purchase some threaded rod - it does come in multiple sizes...

That's not the challenge.
Thanks for playing

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Tin Falcon wrote:

3d printing is one way of making an object. The 3d printer is not the only tool in my workshop.  IMHO  3d printing is not the best tool for threaded rods and plastic not the best material for threaded rods.   why not use steel, brass, or aluminum.
Tin

I have several applications where a vertically printed threaded rod is working fine.   But in those applications there is no torsional stress on the threaded rod.

If there was someone clever enough (I wish it was me) to find a way to print a threaded rod horizontally, it would advance the utility of these devices quite a bit.

Pressing for innovation here   ;-)

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Re: Things that are impossible to 3D Print

Print the rod sliced in two halves longitudinally, the use glue smile
No problems with glued section stress and the glued rod will still retain most of the longitudinal strength gained from the horizontal print position...

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Or.. just put a flat on one side down to the root and use it like that.  Will still be stronger than printing vertically.