1 (edited by sfraden 2015-12-21 15:42:17)

Topic: Da Vinci 1.0 PRO Unboxing & Impressions

Ok, so tonights the night, the printer arrived and I know a lot of you are wondering if it is right for you.  Well, I'll lay out some details and you can make up your own mind.



Unboxing:

This was exceptionally well packed and made ready for shipping.  I noted that compared to my other Da Vinci's there was about 3x more packing and shipping materials inside the printer to keep everything nice and snug.  Had to cut a lot of shipping straps, peel a ton of the plastic protective sheets off the outside. No damage or scratches. I am actually using the re-assembled box as a temporary printer stand while I get things set up.



First power up:

Came right on, no issues, initialized itself and went to ready mode.  I used a XYZ cart for the first filament install and the loading process was very smooth.  Dropped the cart in, fed the filament into the extruder and told the printer to LOAD FILAMENT. It actually did load automatically.  Only thing I did not like was to verify the load it extruded about 20 inches of filament, seemed like a waste to me.

Once that was accomplished I bypassed the software on the CD and downloaded the latest XYZware for PRO and installed that on the PC.  It worked with no issues.  Once installed I then connected the USB and allowed XYZware to automatically upload the latest firmware to the printer.  Lastly I configured the WIFI connection for my hub and then was able to remove the usb cord.  No more wires !



Initial Bed Calibration:

One thing I hated about my older davinci's was calibrating the bed.  a Major pain in the ass.  This new system is so much better.  The printer now measures all 4 corners, then comes back with a screen that tells you exactly how to turn each knob to calibrate the bed.  I did this, the first run around it was still off, but the second time it had me only do some very minor tweaks and in less than 3 minutes I got a 'Perfect Calibration' message.



First Test Print:

I applied the tape sheets to the print bed (Its just masking tape, but its what they sent with it) and started the heart print in the demo prints.  So far it adhered to the tape just fine and with no peeling, I'm rather impressed, as I did not think simple tape would work this well.




First the extruder is now a Bowden style, which I like and dislike.  It does work, but the long tube means I cant use flex filament in it.  With the stepper not on the print head, it means that there will be a lot less wear and tear on the x&y steppers moving it around.



There is no more used filament cup and the wiper is gone too.  I'm on the fence on this, but neither were ever necessary on no other DaVinci's, but they did keep the interior neater and clean.



The print nozzle itself is now more 'pointy' and longer, which should help a lot with cooling during printing.  Still the nozzle is not replaceable by unscrewing, its all one piece with the heater core.  I do wish that was different.



The print just finished and it looks awesome, well for the demo anyhow.  I've attached a pic, note that the davinci still does that first test line on the right side, but when completed it kept extruding all the way to the start of the object, which is not a big deal, but maybe I can tweak that  a bit (retraction possibly?)


1 week Later Update:
Had the SD Card fail at the end of a print, Prolly at the point where it was going to delete the file on the card.  I took out the SD card from the back, popped it into my PC and made a copy of the files on it.  I then formatted a new SanDisk card and replaced the files and put it back into the printer.  Problem solved.  Seems they use microSD made by ADATA, which is not a company I would ever buy products from, due to their generally low quality.

I have made many prints to date, only one was disappointing.  The rest were really awesome, and the high resolution one I made were just fantastic.  The poor print was actually a stand I was printing for my non-xyz spools of filament.  I set the fill to only 15% and it should have been like 30%, and it was delaminated in places going upward, making the end result brittle and broke easily.  I had been using the same tape sheet since I started, and it was really worn and bumpy, and also I noted that the when I checked after the print, that my bed was out of calibration; prolly because I was pushing on it trying to smooth out the tape.  I blame myself for that failure, not the machine.

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2 (edited by BlankMan 2015-12-15 18:00:15)

Re: Da Vinci 1.0 PRO Unboxing & Impressions

You extruded 20" of filament at 0.4mm diameter which equates to about 1" of filament at 1.75mm diameter volume wise. Not that big of a waste as you think...

Software wise, no problems eh? Try setting the bed temperature above 90C. It's max is supposed to be 110C. But you can't get there.

Hope you enjoy your no wires Wifi connection. Wifi takes at least twice as long to transfer the data to be printed. In Windows the transfer rate is about 18-25KB/sec max. Takes almost 3 hours to transfer a complex large (160M+) 3w project file. And that's after it's been sliced and already saved as a 3w. And on an N connection which should be able to get up to 450Mb/sec on a 3x3 MIMO. But the Pro only has a single antenna so it's probably limited to 150Mb/sec. But it doesn't appear to get even that transfer rate.

See my post on the extruder mod I made. The new design is not without issues.

It doesn't always do the test  line. Not when printing bigger things. Even if then is still room there it does not do one.

Hard to tell from your picture how good the heart really is. Really don't need to see that much of the bed. A close up would have been nice. Any little nibs/defects on the heart ridges? Mine have them. In what appear to be the same spots on 4 hearts. Not sure if indeed they are defects or part of the design.

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Re: Da Vinci 1.0 PRO Unboxing & Impressions

BlankMan wrote:

You extruded 20" of filament at 0.4mm diameter which equates to about 1" of filament at 1.75mm diameter volume wise. Not that big of a waste as you think...
See my post on the extruder mod I made. The new design is not without issues.

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Ah, the heart I printed is not the greatest, I noted that it looked like it was at best 300 micron resolution, which at that level it looked great, but not when I compare it to something at a much higher resolution.  And yes, I tried a second one and it looked exactly the same, even with the same 'defects' , so apparently its in the file.

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Re: Da Vinci 1.0 PRO Unboxing & Impressions

Hello all first of all.
I've just unboxed my 1.0 Pro and i have some doubt.
I have to inform you that I'm not very skilled on 3D printing, so my questions and doubts could be silly.
I used a XYZ 1.0 for a month before getting the PRO and i'm finding some good and bad differences.
I appreciate the charging and the leveling systems, but i don't like the alu bed instead of glass.
With a perfectly cleaned glass i didn't need to apply tape or glue to stick the objects on the bed and the lower surface resulted glossy and flat.
With the alu bed it is very difficult to keep the items sticked on the bed.
I've tried the tape included in the printer box and it initially seemed to work, but at the 2nd printing the objects start to lift in the corners and the printing failed.
I tried to use the glue directly on the alu surface (on the glass it worked quite well) but the result was awful.
Using the glue on the tape works a little bit more but with incostant results.
So i tied to use a normal painting tape: same result, it initially works, but when the height of the object grows, the external edges start to detach from the plate.
I didnt tried other sticking methods as kapton tape or spray glue: I hope you suggest me some other solutions.
I also notice that after the startup printing (when it prints a double row on the right side of the pad before starting the job) and while moving fast without printing, the material still flow out form the nozzle leaving unwanted stripes on the pad.
Are there some parameters to change to avoid this?
I'm using ABS original XYZ materials with standard parameters.
Can you suggest me best parameters to avoid problems?
Thank you all for support.

5 (edited by reznor9 2015-12-21 15:44:27)

Re: Da Vinci 1.0 PRO Unboxing & Impressions

I've had good results using kapton tape and hairspray. Corners no longer lift.

As for the lines experienced after printing the print lines, it could be a sign that your extruder temperature is a bit too high if it's excreting/seeping filament when it's transferring the nozzle from one area to another. Try lowering the extruder temp by 5 degrees in the print settings on the xyzware and try again. If you still see it happening try lowering it another 5 degrees, etc..

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ruzzzolo wrote:

Hello all first of all.
I've just unboxed my 1.0 Pro and i have some doubt.....
Can you suggest me best parameters to avoid problems?
Thank you all for support.

First off, never print directly to your aluminum bed, the surface is not perfectly smooth like glass is, and your prints will either not stick at all or become somewhat embedded in the ridges.  Use tape on the surface.  Blue painters tape for PLA, and standard masking tape for ABS.

I suggest replacing the tape every print, it should work fine that way.

If you want that smooth surface again, you can use kapton tape with your ABS.  Its a little more expensive, but is smooth and stands up well to the heat.

ABS does have a tendency to shrink when cooling, that's why corners lift sometimes.  A tiny dab of the glue stick on the tape will fix that issue, however the glue stick and tape are a bad mix as the heat causes the glue to sink into the making tape and hardens there, which can make getting your print off the bed quite a challenge.  At least you don't have to worry about the glass cracking smile

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Re: Da Vinci 1.0 PRO Unboxing & Impressions

Thank you all for suggestions, i'm going to apply your tips then i will report for results.

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I used the ducky blue painters tape for a bit when printing in ABS with a combination of either glue stick or aqua net(hairspray worked better) and although it stuck to print amazingly well, the adhesive of the tape itself was lacking and if the piece decided it needed to warp it would pull the tape off the bed to accomplish it. So maybe a better tape would have adhered better to the bed and kept the edges down. I dunno. What I do know is the kapton tape does a much better job than either the included blue surface tape or the blue tape I purchased. But when printing double sided objects that lay flat on the kapton tape, the one side is so wonderfully smooth it makes the topside look like crap. Lol. Wish I could flip it like w pancake when one side was finished. Lol

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Re: Da Vinci 1.0 PRO Unboxing & Impressions

reznor9 wrote:

I've had good results using kapton tape and hairspray. Corners no longer lift.

As for the lines experienced after printing the print lines, it could be a sign that your extruder temperature is a bit too high if it's excreting/seeping filament when it's transferring the nozzle from one area to another. Try lowering the extruder temp by 5 degrees in the print settings on the xyzware and try again. If you still see it happening try lowering it another 5 degrees, etc..

What kind of hairspray do you use? I tryed with kapton tape only without results.
I tryed different temperatures for the nozzle and for the bed, but nothing seems to work.
I'm very disappointed becouse with the previous model with the glass bed I didn' have these issues.

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I also don't like the tape on bed method, and have changed to an 8 x 8" mirror I found.  Its perfectly flat, and I have tried glue sticks, hairspray, abs slurry, but the best way I have found to keep objects from unsticking, or curling is to use some Oatey PVC, ABS glue found at the hardware store.  I use the clear, the kind with the little brush inside the can.  Usually used to glue PVC pipe together.  This stuff works great, just spread a coat on surface, and print.  Will not lift, and comes off great after the bed cools a little.  A lot easier and neater than ABS slurry, which also works well, just messy.  Give it a shot!

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Im evaluating the option of replacing the alu bed with a glass.
It doesn't seem to difficult, only four screws: I hope that the warming plate is not glued to the alu bed.
Suggestions about the operation and the glass type?
tks

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Re: Da Vinci 1.0 PRO Unboxing & Impressions

ruzzzolo wrote:

Im evaluating the option of replacing the alu bed with a glass.
It doesn't seem to difficult, only four screws: I hope that the warming plate is not glued to the alu bed.
Suggestions about the operation and the glass type?
tks

Before you go to that trouble, try using Kapton tape and glue stick; I'm printing ABS with no issues using that.

If you do decide to change, then you MUST use borosilicate glass; its a tiny bit more expensive, but much stronger and should never crack.

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sfraden wrote:

Before you go to that trouble, try using Kapton tape and glue stick; I'm printing ABS with no issues using that.

If you do decide to change, then you MUST use borosilicate glass; its a tiny bit more expensive, but much stronger and should never crack.

I tried this combination with very bad results. No way to print the second layer without disater.
Wich parameters do you use?

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ruzzzolo wrote:
sfraden wrote:

Before you go to that trouble, try using Kapton tape and glue stick; I'm printing ABS with no issues using that.

If you do decide to change, then you MUST use borosilicate glass; its a tiny bit more expensive, but much stronger and should never crack.

I tried this combination with very bad results. No way to print the second layer without disater.
Wich parameters do you use?

Actually default parameters, using standard XYZ abs.

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Skyblue wrote:

I also don't like the tape on bed method, and have changed to an 8 x 8" mirror I found.  Its perfectly flat, and I have tried glue sticks, hairspray, abs slurry, but the best way I have found to keep objects from unsticking, or curling is to use some Oatey PVC, ABS glue found at the hardware store.  I use the clear, the kind with the little brush inside the can.  Usually used to glue PVC pipe together.  This stuff works great, just spread a coat on surface, and print.  Will not lift, and comes off great after the bed cools a little.  A lot easier and neater than ABS slurry, which also works well, just messy.  Give it a shot!


I've found several different varieties of this product.  Can you be more specific? 

Thanks,

16 (edited by Skyblue 2016-01-26 14:06:28)

Re: Da Vinci 1.0 PRO Unboxing & Impressions

underwoodle wrote:
Skyblue wrote:

I also don't like the tape on bed method, and have changed to an 8 x 8" mirror I found.  Its perfectly flat, and I have tried glue sticks, hairspray, abs slurry, but the best way I have found to keep objects from unsticking, or curling is to use some Oatey PVC, ABS glue found at the hardware store.  I use the clear, the kind with the little brush inside the can.  Usually used to glue PVC pipe together.  This stuff works great, just spread a coat on surface, and print.  Will not lift, and comes off great after the bed cools a little.  A lot easier and neater than ABS slurry, which also works well, just messy.  Give it a shot!


I've found several different varieties of this product.  Can you be more specific? 

Thanks,

Yeah, it is Oatey Clear Pvc Abs all purpose cement.  Can says for PVC, CPVC, and ABS.  Check at Ace or Home Depot or any hardware store.  Note: Don't use this directly on the aluminum bed, use on glass on top or mirror.

17 (edited by Skyblue 2016-01-26 13:09:38)

Re: Da Vinci 1.0 PRO Unboxing & Impressions

ruzzzolo wrote:

Im evaluating the option of replacing the alu bed with a glass.
It doesn't seem to difficult, only four screws: I hope that the warming plate is not glued to the alu bed.
Suggestions about the operation and the glass type?
tks

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You don't need to replace the aluminum bed, just place glass or mirror on top and secure with clips.  You will then have to run the z-offset feature to reset the z distance between the new surface and the hot end.  Run the calibrate function first to level the bed, as function won't work with the glass or mirror on top...

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Honestly, you don't need to replace the alum bed at all, just put kapton tape over it.  I am using that now and have had no issues with sticking on either PLA or ABS.  I use the old trick of the UHU glue stick on the tape and it all works great.



Skyblue wrote:
ruzzzolo wrote:

Im evaluating the option of replacing the alu bed with a glass.
It doesn't seem to difficult, only four screws: I hope that the warming plate is not glued to the alu bed.
Suggestions about the operation and the glass type?
tks

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You don't need to replace the aluminum bed, just place glass or mirror on top and secure with clips.  You will then have to run the z-offset feature to reset the z distance between the new surface and the hot end.  Run the calibrate function first to level the bed, as function won't work with the glass or mirror on top...