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Or adventures in software. I could also title this 3 steps forward and 2 back.

Ever since getting my printer about a year ago I have been wanting to print/build an air steam engine. Air engines are nothing new to me I have a collection I have built up over the years .  have used traditional woodworking and machining techniques as well as hand finishing  to build something like 10 engines over the years. I tend to be a design freak and customize,alter plans and designs.

So I finally fired up the old computer with the old 3d CAD program. and reverse/re-engineered a flywheel.  Went smooth and happy with the design.  But cant export or save to an STL. So exported as a STEP file open up free cad import the Step and export as a stl...
(mesh) open it it with RH,  and attempt to slice. slic3r seems to be buggy it is very slow the screens go a little funky and the finished product has the first layer and a couple top lares but lots of air in between.  I have since tried to slice other things and can not get Slic3r to work.  Cura works fine.
I am using the latest rh and slic3r maybe my problem .
IIRC several of the files I tried to slice worked fine in the past.

Looks like all my settings are there and in order  just slic3r is belly up.

So is anyone else having difficulty with Slic3r?

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sounds like last slice was a huge memory size and overflowed. try rebooting  RH/Slc3r several times to purge memory. had that b4 also after slicing lots of files in succession its like its virtual ram leaves gosts after slice fails etc

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Re: Problems with RH & SLIC3r

I have best results with RH v0.95f and Slic3r 1.1.7. As much as I hate staying behind, Slic3r is only getting progressively worse.

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Re: Problems with RH & SLIC3r

jagowilson wrote:

I have best results with RH v0.95f and Slic3r 1.1.7. As much as I hate staying behind, Slic3r is only getting progressively worse.


agreed, too much dumbing down and auto repair checks. I also use ver 86. all versions after 95f require removing older ones so I dont

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Re: Problems with RH & SLIC3r

jagowilson wrote:

I have best results with RH v0.95f and Slic3r 1.1.7. As much as I hate staying behind, Slic3r is only getting progressively worse.

Really, 1.1.7?

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Hmmm.  I think I will try 1.1.7.  Slic3r is very sensitive to the STL.  Must be perfect or it barfs.  Very annoying.  I recently made a pair of new frames to replace some that broke.  I could not get Slic3r to print the left  and the right ear pieces at the same time.  Had no problem printing them one at a time but put both on the plate at the same time and Slic3r goes out to lunch.  Put one down and copy it with a -1 X scale and it fails.  I run into similar issues fairly frequently.  Was hoping this would be fixed in the future.  Didn't think to look in the past...

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Re: Problems with RH & SLIC3r

My advice would be try 1.0.0RC3, jago can take it up with me if he disagrees wink

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Hmmm.  I think I will try 1.1.7.  Slic3r is very sensitive to the STL.  Must be perfect or it barfs.  Very annoying.  I recently made a pair of new frames to replace some that broke.  I could not get Slic3r to print the left  and the right ear pieces at the same time.  Had no problem printing them one at a time but put both on the plate at the same time and Slic3r goes out to lunch.  Put one down and copy it with a -1 X scale and it fails.  I run into similar issues fairly frequently.  Was hoping this would be fixed in the future.  Didn't think to look in the past...

when adding multiple models on plate you cant do any mods to the models on the plate like scale, save etc. you must do mod to only 1 loaded stl file at a time then save as a dif name then remove loaded files then reload each file including mods saved or multiples of same unchanged file and arrange them on plate then save group as a separate file. remove (clear plate again) then reload the group file, slice it and print. can also save Gcode of the group file to reprint later. memory cant separate old from new changes or more than 1 mod at a time since scale etc is for the whole plate, now you can arrange or flip each file separate by highlighting only the file to move. but advanced mods are global.

if you skip any of these steps expect issues as Slic3r has tiny brain and cant think like us ;^P

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Re: Problems with RH & SLIC3r

also each newer version has more addons and they tend to double check everything b4 attempting to slice and its very critical or anal about file being perfect by its standards. this is why I dont upgrade since the older versions are more forgiving and play well together unlike newer versions

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You all could saves your selves tons of headaches and suffering simply by forking over 150 bucks and buying Simplify3d. I promise you as well as other can here it will be the best 150 bucks you have ever spent and you will ask yourselves why you did not do it sooner.

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Re: Problems with RH & SLIC3r

the last version for slic3r/repetier work well for me (and i abuse of it) ... and no, simplify3d is NOT perfect.. the only big advantages of simplify is to be fast and to have a huge library of profils for 3d printers. I have a lot of model with thin wall that can be sliced perfectly by slic3r, and that simplify3d just remove the whole wall.... it's a good tool, but it has some flaw..

simplify3d like to remove small details to 'simplify' the slice (i suspect something like the feature in slic3r, that decide to drop details under a threshold that you choose, apart that you can't change it in simplify3d)... sometimes it's good... other times, it's bad..

use free netffab basic to repair your model before use it in slic3r (even if you see zero problem in it).. if netffab sai the model is good, slic3r will like it without problems..

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when adding multiple models on plate you cant do any mods to the models on the plate like scale, save etc. you must do mod to only 1 loaded stl file at a time then save as a dif name then remove loaded files then reload each file including mods saved or multiples of same unchanged file and arrange them on plate then save group as a separate file. remove (clear plate again) then reload the group file, slice it and print. can also save Gcode of the group file to reprint later. memory cant separate old from new changes or more than 1 mod at a time since scale etc is for the whole plate, now you can arrange or flip each file separate by highlighting only the file to move. but advanced mods are global.

if you skip any of these steps expect issues as Slic3r has tiny brain and cant think like us ;^P

I'm sorry, but this is absolute rubbish. I use RH v 1.0.6 & Slic3r v 1.1.7 and scale, move, rotate stuff all the time with no problems. Yes, you do have to do each piece individually, but you do NOT need to re-save it as something different & remove it before doing the next piece. roll

Load the first piece as normal - can either do any scaling or what not right away, or wait - I usually wait.
Then, using the "Add" button (circle with plus sign in it - Not load!) add next piece. do as many pieces as needed this way.
Then select just one piece and do any needed scaling, rotation, move it around on the bed, whatever.
Then select the next piece & repeat as needed.
Then slice. No problem.

The longest I have ever had slic3r take to slice something was maybe a couple of minutes for a larger, complex object - but perhaps 12 Gig of memory helps with that....

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the last version for slic3r/repetier work well for me (and i abuse of it) ... and no, simplify3d is NOT perfect.. the only big advantages of simplify is to be fast and to have a huge library of profils for 3d printers. I have a lot of model with thin wall that can be sliced perfectly by slic3r, and that simplify3d just remove the whole wall.... it's a good tool, but it has some flaw..

simplify3d like to remove small details to 'simplify' the slice (i suspect something like the feature in slic3r, that decide to drop details under a threshold that you choose, apart that you can't change it in simplify3d)... sometimes it's good... other times, it's bad..

use free netffab basic to repair your model before use it in slic3r (even if you see zero problem in it).. if netffab sai the model is good, slic3r will like it without problems..

this. I like Simplify3D but I can't use it for everything. One of its biggest flaws to me right now is it does not always properly detect bridges, such as when you are doing solid infill over sparse fill. Slic3r correctly detects this and it makes a huge difference. My only other complaint with Simplify3D is you don't have precise control over various extrusion widths: everything is either exactly the same or automatic.

Simplify3D does make smarter toolpaths than Slic3r, however, and it can shave as much as half an hour off a job.

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Well I guess we all have our unique issues then as S3d was able to print stuff for me that no other slicer available could do and I have been printing for more than 8 years so it is not settings or anything as I know them. This object just would not print on anything else. Also for me S3D has no issue with detail. Just look at my Robotica model http://www.soliforum.com/topic/12175/de … ingiverse/
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n2ri wrote:

when adding multiple models on plate you cant do any mods to the models on the plate like scale, save etc. you must do mod to only 1 loaded stl file at a time then save as a dif name then remove loaded files then reload each file including mods saved or multiples of same unchanged file and arrange them on plate then save group as a separate file. remove (clear plate again) then reload the group file, slice it and print. can also save Gcode of the group file to reprint later. memory cant separate old from new changes or more than 1 mod at a time since scale etc is for the whole plate, now you can arrange or flip each file separate by highlighting only the file to move. but advanced mods are global.

if you skip any of these steps expect issues as Slic3r has tiny brain and cant think like us ;^P

I'm sorry, but this is absolute rubbish. I use RH v 1.0.6 & Slic3r v 1.1.7 and scale, move, rotate stuff all the time with no problems. Yes, you do have to do each piece individually, but you do NOT need to re-save it as something different & remove it before doing the next piece. roll

Load the first piece as normal - can either do any scaling or what not right away, or wait - I usually wait.
Then, using the "Add" button (circle with plus sign in it - Not load!) add next piece. do as many pieces as needed this way.
Then select just one piece and do any needed scaling, rotation, move it around on the bed, whatever.
Then select the next piece & repeat as needed.
Then slice. No problem.

The longest I have ever had slic3r take to slice something was maybe a couple of minutes for a larger, complex object - but perhaps 12 Gig of memory helps with that....


its a fact. if you change something on a file and save it, then try to slice it Slic3r even pops up and says 'the file has changed do you want to reload it?' if you click yes then it reloads original named file that was loaded (which can confuse slic3r even if you saved over old file). if you click no then the changes wont be included in Gcode. my way is fool/slic3r proof. other wise waste time and material. also if you rescale you should run rescaled stl through netfab again as many times it gets an error during rescaling.

and how can you say my entire statement is rubbish then just rewrite exactly what I said about not rescaling parts after adding other files. seems your the one thats confused here. I have done these things hundreds of times and I know what happens in each case. also I told why I dont use the newer versions your talking about. the older versions dont have addons like you state for Add instead of load. so read b4 bashing what somebody posts and get your facts strait! so your post is complete rubbish since it has nothing to do with my post you quoted. and on all versions I use once you add other objects to the plate things like scale are greyed out unless all objects are highlighted so I dont understand that part of your post. and your computer Ram has no effect on the virtual memory of slicer files with errors or lots of extra editing done on them take several minutes if memory dont run out b4 finished. you just been lucky so far with your files is all. most of us use files from like Thingiverse etc so lots of them are not printable due to amateur designers. I have 10,000 stl files archived most of which need lots of work yet b4 I may be able to print them.

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also if you slice lots of stl files (specially if any errors or unfinished slice attempts) you need to restart RH/slic3r to purge/optimize slic3r memory so it dont fail to slice

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what versions are you having trouble with Tin?

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..... then just rewrite exactly what I said about not rescaling parts after adding other files

um, mayhaps you should go back and read what I actually wrote...
I do re-scale parts after loading others onto the build plate.
I can scale either before loading more stuff, or after loading more stuff, makes no difference either way.
I can also rotate, and move things around if I choose to. Again, with no problems.

I guess I dont understand why you are having so many problems and having to jump through so many hoops, when I have pretty much none?
perhaps maybe you should consider updating?

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I do re-scale parts after loading others onto the build plate.
I can scale either before loading more stuff, or after loading more stuff, makes no difference either way.
I can also rotate, and move things around if I choose to. Again, with no problems.

OK.  So now I'm curious.  Would you mind doing an experiment when you get a chance?  Download earR.stl from this Thingaverse model, place it on the bed, copy it once, scale the copy in X by -1 (rearranging and dropping back on the plate as necessary), and slice.  It would be very interesting if this actually works for you.

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TickTock wrote:
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I do re-scale parts after loading others onto the build plate.
I can scale either before loading more stuff, or after loading more stuff, makes no difference either way.
I can also rotate, and move things around if I choose to. Again, with no problems.

OK.  So now I'm curious.  Would you mind doing an experiment when you get a chance?  Download earR.stl from this Thingaverse model, place it on the bed, copy it once, scale the copy in X by -1 (rearranging and dropping back on the plate as necessary), and slice.  It would be very interesting if this actually works for you.

OK...so I tried this:

http://soliforum.com/i/?RnDUCG5.png

With the exceptions that A) the part is not manifold, and B) that using a scale of -1 is incorrect (you must use positive integers and or decimals...I used 0.5) it worked just fine...

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How do you make a left-hand version of a right-hand part without entering a -1?  I, too, have no problems with a 0.5 scale.  The issue arises using the negative vaules which, I think, RH&Slic3r *should* support (why wouldn't it?).  Does a negative scale work with a two-manifold object?

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Re: Problems with RH & SLIC3r

Make 1 copy of the part on the bed; then Mirror it:

http://soliforum.com/i/?HqEsILi.png

Scale would be a separate function from Mirroring...I don't know about negative scale; I've always worked with decimal percentages to scale items.

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What version of RH is that?  I don't have a mirror option like you show.  Applying -1 scale to one of the axes is the only way I have found to do it.  Was Slic3r successful slicing with both non-mirrored and mirrored on the bed like you show?

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This is RH V1.0.6 and Slic3r V1.1.7...and yes, it sliced both with ease.  The files are still not Manifold, however.

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I was also able to load, copy and mirror (negative scaling doesn't work) with no problem, and slice with no problem... same versions of RH and Slic3r

http://soliforum.com/i/?wdSzuHM.jpg

I also got the non-manifold warning... need to run that thru Netfabb or something...

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