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Topic: calculating how much to charge for 3d prints

Good afternoon all,

I'm sure this topic has been posted before, but alas after 20 minutes of trying different search terms I've learned more about Y axis skipping then I have about how to calculate cost for printing, so if someone knows of a previous topic and can link me in that would be great.

After 6 months of printing with my workbench, I am not starting to get a few people to ask me to print them things, lately a member of a local board game design group has asked me to help print some prototypes, and I know that if they like what I print then I will probably be doing quite regular jobs for them.

Anyways, calculating filament cost, is simple, I know what I paid and repetier spits out how much filament is used during the print.
Pre-processing the files, and post processing the part is also simple, I choose an hourly rate. (probably minimum 30 minutes for setting up the print etc)

But where I'm really getting stuck is on just how much to charge for the machine time, how do I (or perhaps) professional companies determine how much to charge for the time a machine is working?  The only thing I can come up with is the cost of the machine/ the estimated number of printing hours it will print over its life.  so does anyone have any idea about what the life expectancy of a home 3D printer is?  (let's assume un-moded, otherwise we will go so deep down the rabbit hole...)

anyways just looking for a little guidance here.

Thanks

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Re: calculating how much to charge for 3d prints

From what I have seen, most places charge per cubic mm of filament. Usually in the $0.50-$1.00 range. This is supposed to take into account the machine time as well. Sometimes CAD/prep time or finishing time can be charged separately.

With that being said, this business model is not mature. There are significant demand issues (like not enough). Frequently, that price is more than people are willing to pay and less than it is worth to print (particularly after the amount time is taken into account and the number of failed prints).

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Re: calculating how much to charge for 3d prints

Yes this has been discussed before several times both by hobbyists  like yourself wanting to make a few prints for friends.And by guys looking so set up a print parlor.

I was having this discussion with a workplace neighbor. The guy that has the business next to my workplace. He asked me about making money with 3d printing.  Bottom line and making a long story short IMHO one should charge something like $10 an hour for machine time and double material cost..
Then I showed him a nice little rose bud I had printed for my wife and said it took about an hour to print. Then asked him what he would be willing to pay for it. After a couple minutes he said well honestly it looks like it could have come from the dollar store.


The lesson here is there is often a huge gap in reality between the customer and the 3d printer owner operator.  Do not give away valuable time or material. But know what is very reasonable to you may seem ridiculous to the uninformed customer.

There are reasons for this. We as american consumers are spoiled by the tons of cheap imported goods virtually available at our fingertips. Plastic items are viewed as cheap and disposable. Most people have no or little clue what is involved in making things.

So back to the original question what do you charge  ? Come up with a price that is fair to you.Give potential customer the price /estimate.  when there jaw comes back up from the floor . kindly explain to them why your price is what it is. Then if you really want to print the items try to come up with a price you can both of you can  live with  or better yet or be comfortable with.

This has been a topic of discussion for years in the arts and crafts world . people what one of a kind handcrafted items and expect to pay mass produced import prices.
Tin

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Re: calculating how much to charge for 3d prints

I think it also depends on the market you are printing for.  A good friend of mine owns a Stratasys and has a minimum of $125.00 for any print under a certain volume.

I have run simple jobs that took about 3-4 hrs and have charged $80-100.00; I have also taken on some fixture design work that involved me printing some validation profiles for a set of fixtures to hold an automobile bumper for some secondary fabrication needs. My finished deliverable product in this case was 8 3D modeled (not printed) fixturing blocks that held a 6 ft long bumper...My fee was about $500.00.  The customer, a Nissan subcontractor, was quite eager to pay...

So it all depends on who's buying; but generally I charge $75.00/hour for design time and about $20 per hour for print time including material.

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Re: calculating how much to charge for 3d prints

Morgan is that cubic mm or cm ??
Tin

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Re: calculating how much to charge for 3d prints

I agree with IronMan here, but would also like to add a few things. I too believe that it all depends on who's buying, but not only that, it also depends on how much overhead you have. I buy filament at wholesale/bulk rates, so I get some discounts, which often leads to about $12 to $13 per spool on some... But I usually buy 50 spools at a time, sometimes more..... smile Since most of the printers we have in the shop now are RepRap style printers, I am also able to buy parts at ridisculously low prices when buying in bulk. Lastly, I am able to fix most of the issues our printers run into and replace parts as needed.

Charging by the hour is what works for me. When I first started providing printing services, I was on the same model as ShapeWays, where I charged a per cubic cm/in fee, plus set up fee and etc. Not too many folks considered paying me because a small or medium sized print (1 to 4 hrs) suddenly is now so high. So for me, I decided to switch to a flat hourly rate of $10 per hour, regardless of size and materials used and no setup fees or per cubic inch fees. I've found that I can still make a good profit doing this and people seem to be more acceptable of the price as well. The only downside is that you will have to make initial investments, which are often costly.

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Re: calculating how much to charge for 3d prints

I've done a few jobs and developed a formula in excel for pricing and to generate an invoice. Excel makes life so much easier wink. I still need to tweak and graph it vs @cost to adjust it better to take in consideration the different material costs eventually though.

- First, I have an initial charge for any print since small items wouldn't really be worth the effort otherwise.
- Second, I charge so the less material I use the more expensive the cost and gradually get closer to filament cost as the cc goes up. Without looking at the spreadsheet, I think it's around 500% at the high end. I charge by the cc my slicer reports not the cc of the model so customers who want something thicker or solid will have to pay more for it and that's an option unlike SLS.
- Third, my charge depends on the material used since they range in price a decent amount.
- Lastly, I charge for the time estimate it takes to print since they are somewhat close and in reality the actual cost for the time isn't too bad and it's more for my machines wear and tear and me checking up on it to make sure it didn't mess up.

Some other factors to think about are:
- Charging enough so failed prints are covered as well. I don't expect the customer to pay for my machines problems.
- Makes a good precursor as some others mentioned so the customer can get a physical part before possibly having it make in higher quality ranging from shapeways to custom manufacturing.

For my jobs so far, I've made functional parts which is where I actually make money. Right now my fees aren't as high as they could be and I charge by the job not the hour + prototype prints if they want.

Also, if you are hired to do a job for someone, they own the rights to that part/product.

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Re: calculating how much to charge for 3d prints

Tin Falcon wrote:

... people want one of a kind, handcrafted items and expect to pay mass produced, import prices.
Tin


This is exactly the problem....

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