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Topic: Z-axis does not work

Well, I'm a newbie in the 3d printing community, and recently bought a Graber-based 3d printer kit. The printer is almost complete, and theoretically it should be nice and working, but my Z-axis keeps vibrating and not moving, and I know it's not the wires order, it's not the motors, neither the pololu drivers (I'm using RAMPS 1.4). I'm sure because I put the driver and motors on the other axis pins and they ran just fine. I've tried all combinations possible for the jumpers, tried adjusting the potentiometer, and tried reflashing the firmware as well. So, I would be glad if you could help me. Sorry about my english. I'm not from America, so tell me if you don't understand anything. Thanks beforehand.

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Re: Z-axis does not work

On your RAMPS board, are you driving the Z motors with each of them plugged in separately, or are they spliced together using one plug?

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Thanks for your fast response!
They are plugged separately, like this:
http://soliforum.com/i/?HcyTV4J.jpg

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I ran into the same issue when building my dual-Z printer.  I ended up splicing the color-coded wires together into one plug and plugging it into the position closest to the stepper driver...then adjust the potentiometer for a smooth action. 

This is a common setup for twin Z printers.

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Ok, thanks! I'll try it.

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In the end that didn't solve the problem. It's still just vibrating and not rotating... I just realized that it seems the motors rotate to one side and then to the another, very quickly, causing it to vibrate. I hope this detail can be of some help for you...

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Very strange...and you readjusted the vref potentiometer after splicing?

By any chance have you unplugged / plugged the stepper motors from the board with the power on?  This is a bad practice as it can blow the stepper chip...

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I think not, but how do I check if it was blown? And if by "stepper chip" you meant the pololu driver chip, it works on other axes, so I think it's not the problem...
My problem looks like this:

But both of the Z-axis motors are acting like the left one on the video.

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I see the vibration...but why are ALL your motors cycling back and forth at the same time? 

Can you move the X and Y separately with no problem?

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Yes, the X and Y move separately or together just fine. the only problematic axis is the Z.

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To rule out the driver chip, power down and try switching the Z motor plug for X or Y and try driving them that way.

Can you post a very clear straight-on picture of your RAMPS board showing all the connections?

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Ok, it seems it's not the driver chip... but here it is the picture:
http://soliforum.com/i/?qJztQEQ.jpg

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OK...everything looks proper (btw, does the printer have a servo of some sort?)...

So, when you switched the plugs, the Z motors behaved the same way when driven by another driver?...then did the Z driver chip then drive the X (or Y) motor you switched with smoothly?

If so, put everything back and then separate the Z motors and try driving them one at a time...you may have a bad connection at the plug...it is unlikely to have two bad motors, especially since they are behaving the same.

One more thing to check would be to verify the motors coil pairing...take the plug off the board and jumper the green and black contacts together in the plug with a paper clip.  Then try to manually turn both motors.  They should both be very difficult to turn.  Then do the same thing with the red and blue wire contacts.

After that, aside from the vref adjustment, I'm afraid I am at a loss...

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Ok, the answer to all questions is 'yes'. The motors are not the problem as they run well if being driven as a X or Y motor. (plugged in as one) The paper clip test was ok... I will check one more time about the vref thing, and contact the vendor. But anyway, you helped a lot. Thanks for your time!

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Actually, one more minor thing to check...you said you re-flashed your firmware...if you are using Marlin, there is a line in Configuration_adv.h that should be commented out:

http://soliforum.com/i/?reXttEH.png

Make sure that line has the backslashes in it...

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Yeah.. it has... Ok, I think I'll call technical support... maybe my RAMPS is the problem.

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Re: Z-axis does not work

If you don't mind splicing wires, just put both motors in parallel by splicing the same color wires together and then connect them to just one Z axis output on the board. Another poster had the same issue and this was his solution that worked. In a nut shell you combine both motors on one output. This is actually a common configuration.

Just make sure the color sequence at each motor is the same as well.

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carl_m1968 wrote:

If you don't mind splicing wires, just put both motors in parallel by splicing the same color wires together and then connect them to just one Z axis output on the board. Another poster had the same issue and this was his solution that worked. In a nut shell you combine both motors on one output. This is actually a common configuration.

Just make sure the color sequence at each motor is the same as well.

He tried that already...this is a stumper!

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Well, I got the axis to work, thanks to you, IronMan!! There was a problem in the RAMPs also, but it just worked when I tried to use two separate drivers. I didn't even know that was possible, so thanks for that post. Well, all axis are working now, but I still have some problems with the extruding... But, this would need to be in another topic. Thank you one more time!

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You're welcome...glad to help!

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