<![CDATA[SoliForum - 3D Printing Community — Raising temps...]]> https://www.soliforum.com/topic/1064/raising-temps/ Tue, 22 Jan 2013 03:06:13 +0000 PunBB <![CDATA[Re: Raising temps...]]> https://www.soliforum.com/post/10198/#p10198 You seem to be pushing the temperatures up.  I now use 80 for the bed temperature routinely.  I use glass with hair spray.  I think that something else may be wrong, something you're not seeing yet.  Bed leveling and position (how close the extruder is to the bed on the first layer) may be an issue.  Also, I always extrude the first level at 25% of the normal speed.

Keep playing with it: you'll get it after a while!

]]> Tue, 22 Jan 2013 03:06:13 +0000 https://www.soliforum.com/post/10198/#p10198 <![CDATA[Re: Raising temps...]]> https://www.soliforum.com/post/10195/#p10195 Going through my 30meters of kapton tape without any problems, even have black-belt in kapton changing atm smile
Will switch to glass when I run out, but I for one can say that kapton tape works.

]]> Tue, 22 Jan 2013 01:23:13 +0000 https://www.soliforum.com/post/10195/#p10195 <![CDATA[Re: Raising temps...]]> https://www.soliforum.com/post/10177/#p10177 I use a 1/4" thick piece of glass and White Rain hair spray. usually one shot will last through 4 or 5 prints. I use a single edge razor blade to clean the glass and even to get parts off while the bed is still hot. Works good.

I use ABS plastic and the bed is 95C degrees. I run the hot end at 195C to start and it drops to 193C on second layer.

]]> Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:24:19 +0000 https://www.soliforum.com/post/10177/#p10177 <![CDATA[Re: Raising temps...]]> https://www.soliforum.com/post/10153/#p10153 Another for glass and hairspray. It works so much better and is so easy, it seems silly not to use it.

]]> Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:31:33 +0000 https://www.soliforum.com/post/10153/#p10153 <![CDATA[Re: Raising temps...]]> https://www.soliforum.com/post/10152/#p10152 cmetzel wrote:

I'm telling you, I was one of the holdouts for kapton and cleaning even when it was ripped I had pretty good success with it.  But after switching to glass and hairspray (just to get the changeover time down) it is SOOO much better than printing on Kapton for me.  I don't know why they don't just start shipping printers with 2 glass plates and some clips.

I agree. After going to glass, my level of frustration is way down and the quality of my prints is way up.

]]> Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:29:56 +0000 https://www.soliforum.com/post/10152/#p10152 <![CDATA[Re: Raising temps...]]> https://www.soliforum.com/post/10148/#p10148 I'm telling you, I was one of the holdouts for kapton and cleaning even when it was ripped I had pretty good success with it.  But after switching to glass and hairspray (just to get the changeover time down) it is SOOO much better than printing on Kapton for me.  I don't know why they don't just start shipping printers with 2 glass plates and some clips.

]]> Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:08:26 +0000 https://www.soliforum.com/post/10148/#p10148 <![CDATA[Re: Raising temps...]]> https://www.soliforum.com/post/10145/#p10145 My stock Kapton tape sucked as far as sticking. Rubbing it down with aceton made things stick to it, after much frustration. So try another kapton, or just a small rub over with aceton.

]]> Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:00:05 +0000 https://www.soliforum.com/post/10145/#p10145 <![CDATA[Re: Raising temps...]]> https://www.soliforum.com/post/10143/#p10143 vkm083185 wrote:
Tesla wrote:

One fingerprint on the Kapton will cause a non stick operation.

I have the SD2 with the cover and can tell you that it gets nice a toasty with no drafts. 
Now your moving your bed temps up. I'm moving them down and operate @ around 75c with the covers on.   Hope to even drop this some more in the future as part of calibration.

My printers like the use of the hair spray.  One spray is good for like 4-6 prints then reapply.   Hope this helps you.

Thanks everyone.  I am hoping to solve the problems as I go along.  Actually I got a single "adapter" to print and stick last night after I posted my "frustrations".  My problem was bed leveling according to the X/Y movement of the extruder.  It appears that on my unit, the extruder X/Y movement is not exactly level in and of itself (rods off a little?).  Anyway, once I "unlevelled" the bed, it worked better.  Back at it today.  Last day before I have to work in the REAL world, lol!

Thanks for all the input.  This forum, and those in it ROCK!

I'll update what happens.....Thanks again, everyone for encouraging words!

Kevin


Glad to hear you got it working. A common problem is a warped bed which is probably why it seems to be off a little.  One way to address this is to print on a glass plate.

http://www.soliforum.com/topic/160/glass-bed/

]]> Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:24:32 +0000 https://www.soliforum.com/post/10143/#p10143 <![CDATA[Re: Raising temps...]]> https://www.soliforum.com/post/10047/#p10047 Tesla wrote:

One fingerprint on the Kapton will cause a non stick operation.

I have the SD2 with the cover and can tell you that it gets nice a toasty with no drafts. 
Now your moving your bed temps up. I'm moving them down and operate @ around 75c with the covers on.   Hope to even drop this some more in the future as part of calibration.

My printers like the use of the hair spray.  One spray is good for like 4-6 prints then reapply.   Hope this helps you.

Thanks everyone.  I am hoping to solve the problems as I go along.  Actually I got a single "adapter" to print and stick last night after I posted my "frustrations".  My problem was bed leveling according to the X/Y movement of the extruder.  It appears that on my unit, the extruder X/Y movement is not exactly level in and of itself (rods off a little?).  Anyway, once I "unlevelled" the bed, it worked better.  Back at it today.  Last day before I have to work in the REAL world, lol!

Thanks for all the input.  This forum, and those in it ROCK!

I'll update what happens.....Thanks again, everyone for encouraging words!

Kevin

]]> Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:00:37 +0000 https://www.soliforum.com/post/10047/#p10047 <![CDATA[Re: Raising temps...]]> https://www.soliforum.com/post/10006/#p10006 One fingerprint on the Kapton will cause a non stick operation.

I have the SD2 with the cover and can tell you that it gets nice a toasty with no drafts. 
Now your moving your bed temps up. I'm moving them down and operate @ around 75c with the covers on.   Hope to even drop this some more in the future as part of calibration.

My printers like the use of the hair spray.  One spray is good for like 4-6 prints then reapply.   Hope this helps you.

]]> Sun, 20 Jan 2013 11:50:18 +0000 https://www.soliforum.com/post/10006/#p10006 <![CDATA[Re: Raising temps...]]> https://www.soliforum.com/post/9984/#p9984 vkm083185 wrote:

Well, guys (and ladies), what I have learned today is that the Solidoodle printer is actually a prototype that is sold so that people can "tinker"with them for hours on end.  SOOOOO...in that light, I'll take my lumps, recalibrate my expectations, and go to bed.  I'll tackle this when I have time.  Personally, I'm too busy to spend hours on end "playing".  I just want a product that works.  A little rewording of the sales pitch is in order.  No doubt it's a tinkerer's dream, so all in all it's a cool product...just not completely reliable.

In that light, I shall "calm myself" as someone suggested, swallow my $650, and play with my "toy" now and again.  Meanwhile, I need to look for a product that actually produces things in a reliable and timely manner as I have some deadlines to keep...

I'll play later...back to the "real" world, lol!

Thanks for all the input!  Y'all all rock!

Sincerely,
Kev

Almost everyone on this board had at least some issues when they started.  The SD2 is a decent printer and I think once the issue is addressed you will be very happy.

]]> Sun, 20 Jan 2013 03:52:54 +0000 https://www.soliforum.com/post/9984/#p9984 <![CDATA[Re: Raising temps...]]> https://www.soliforum.com/post/9981/#p9981 Well, guys (and ladies), what I have learned today is that the Solidoodle printer is actually a prototype that is sold so that people can "tinker"with them for hours on end.  SOOOOO...in that light, I'll take my lumps, recalibrate my expectations, and go to bed.  I'll tackle this when I have time.  Personally, I'm too busy to spend hours on end "playing".  I just want a product that works.  A little rewording of the sales pitch is in order.  No doubt it's a tinkerer's dream, so all in all it's a cool product...just not completely reliable.

In that light, I shall "calm myself" as someone suggested, swallow my $650, and play with my "toy" now and again.  Meanwhile, I need to look for a product that actually produces things in a reliable and timely manner as I have some deadlines to keep...

I'll play later...back to the "real" world, lol!

Thanks for all the input!  Y'all all rock!

Sincerely,
Kev

]]> Sun, 20 Jan 2013 03:44:09 +0000 https://www.soliforum.com/post/9981/#p9981 <![CDATA[Re: Raising temps...]]> https://www.soliforum.com/post/9980/#p9980 vkm083185 wrote:

Back to no sticking.  Bed level (I'm an engineer, the damn thing is level, okay, lol)!  Temps adjusted up. Have tried over 70 different z set screw adjustments in .05mm increments. I really think that the kapton tape idea sucks.  I'm gonna start looking for an alternative solution to this dilemma.  Really tired of poor performance...


Try homemade abs glue smeared on the bed. (Acetone+ abs) search around.

]]> Sun, 20 Jan 2013 03:40:10 +0000 https://www.soliforum.com/post/9980/#p9980 <![CDATA[Re: Raising temps...]]> https://www.soliforum.com/post/9979/#p9979 vkm083185 wrote:
jooshs wrote:
vkm083185 wrote:

Okay, so I REALLY upped the temps, and guess what....it's sticking...but at 118 on the bed and 213 on the extruder.  Makes me think one of three things....software not reporting correct temps, temp around the printer affecting printer bed, or filament is not uniform...ideas???


Is it reading the bed temp is 118 or that's what you set it to?  I think most people's printers never get above 105 without a towel covering it.

NOTHING sticks @ 105.  OR @ 100 as recommended...

I mean is the bed actually getting to 118 where you said it was sticking?  It generally has a hard time reaching even 100 when it is not enclosed. That is why I was surprised it was getting to 118. I set mine to 110 all the time so it is running all the time and often it floats around 99 when I remove the towel.

]]> Sun, 20 Jan 2013 03:36:55 +0000 https://www.soliforum.com/post/9979/#p9979 <![CDATA[Re: Raising temps...]]> https://www.soliforum.com/post/9978/#p9978 vkm083185 wrote:
jooshs wrote:
vkm083185 wrote:

Okay, so I REALLY upped the temps, and guess what....it's sticking...but at 118 on the bed and 213 on the extruder.  Makes me think one of three things....software not reporting correct temps, temp around the printer affecting printer bed, or filament is not uniform...ideas???


Is it reading the bed temp is 118 or that's what you set it to?  I think most people's printers never get above 105 without a towel covering it.

NOTHING sticks @ 105.  OR @ 100 as recommended...

Have you verified the temp of the bed manually?

]]> Sun, 20 Jan 2013 03:36:32 +0000 https://www.soliforum.com/post/9978/#p9978