No need to include it in every kit, but users should get some IN YOUR FACE choice of getting one instead of stock one (for additional price just like the printed hopper/no hopper option you already have)

As for the melt filter, I will definitely reconsider how to handle it. It probably isn't good to include them with every kit since that would increase the price and some folks don't need them, but I will think about how to make it more clear. To me putting it on the product page was enough, but I guess some folks don't read it.

As for the Filawinder for $59, that is well below the cost to produce it. You have to remember we're buying custom circuit boards and motors in very low quantities - 100 here, 200 there. We can't get the same price breaks that companies like Dewalt or Samsung or Apple get - not even close.

I don't want you to be angry or disappointed. Lets make a deal - I send you a $25 coupon code towards a melt filter or a Filawinder, and you promise to read product pages and stickied threads before getting angry. Deal?

I dont know what you mean by "how Shopify works" Is this a pre-made website where you only get to edit small sections ?

In any event, i am not trying to score a $159 filawinder for $59 or get a free 1.75mm nozzle with filter. I really want the filawinder and i fixed the filter thing as i described in my $3.00 filter post as well as ordered one from another source for less so its no issues. Biggest problem is that someone else (another jerk like me) could run into the same problem as i have and start the same issues all over again.

I've not sold nearly as many as you have but i do lots of buying online. When i realized that filter was needed to extrude usable filament i got mad. When i saw the $59.99 to $159.99 switch on filawinder, i got even worse.

My fever is down now thanks to your price range specification on filawinder but still steaming over the filter and false hope of getting the filawinder for $59 Oh well, maybe one day or another place will emerge.

Thanks for taking action.

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I have never coded in liquid before, so I had no idea how to do this previously.

I thought it was fine before, but hopefully you find this more suitable! I'm always open to suggestions, provided they are reasonable.... and presented in a non-offensive way. No one likes being called a scammer.

See there? $79.99. That is because the lowest cost E3Dv6 option costs 79.99.

The 3.0mm Bowden version costs $89.99. All prices are clearly displayed when the version is selected. The Filawinder comes in two versions - the PCB kit, and the full kit. It is not a trick, it is two versions of the same product. I have no option in Shopify to change this behavior.

On a 1920x1200 screen, only the first paragraph is visible. It is not reasonable to pack all relevant information into 4 lines of text. If you choose not to read the whole product page before making a purchase, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Filter for 1.75mm should not only be listed where you cant see it without scrolling down, but it should POP (as highly recommended and why) on the screen once 1.75mm nozzle is selected. There could be other ways to do it am sure, but the way it is right now seems to be hidden from plain site.

Filter is not an option when you buy filastruder, you have to make a separate purchase for it. not false claim.

The title is "Polymer Extrusion - a brief tutorial". It covers much more than PLA extrusion, why would I name it PLA exclusively? It even talks about PLA extrusion and the need for PLA to be dry on the product page, which based on your bit about the melt filter nozzle, you didn't read much of. Here's the blurb right on the product page:

The website always displays the lowest cost variant. This is not a scam, the other available variants have clearly displayed prices. This is the way Shopify works, it is not something I can change in the store's settings. E3D hotends work the same way - bowden variants cost more than regular variants.

The text on the product page about the melt filter nozzle is not at the bottom, it is near the middle of the page, actually the top-middle. It is the 4th paragraph, out of 13 paragraphs. Your claim that it is near the bottom is entirely false.

I am not sure what you mean by "no option to buy the filter with the Filastruder". People do it all the time, about half of my customers. Your claim about this is also false.

There is nothing dirty about this "tactic". Shopify always displays the lowest variant's price, and there's no need to include melt filter nozzles when some folks have no use for them, as they run bigger printer nozzles (or use the Filastruder for things unrelated to 3D printing, of which I have several customers).

Spreading lies is not something I will tolerate. Your posting style is not constructive. Tell me this - how much of the product page did you read before purchasing?

The PLA not having been dried properly will cause this. Have you read the sticky on polymer extrusion?
http://www.soliforum.com/topic/3935/pol … -tutorial/

I know i failed to read that. Wish it was more obvious such as "how to extrude PLA tutorial" or something that would be more right in your face type of topic.

I also wish that the price for filawinder on the main page was not set to be 59.99 with an image of assembled unit, but 159.99.
Why this deceiving technique does not apply to filastruder ? When you click on filastruder and clearly buy what you see (with an exception of 2x6 base and a required filter).

Most people look at the picture and then at the price. If price is (i can afford what i see) then its a purchase. But with filawinder its a lie.
I almost bought it. Realized that it was a scam.
If it was sold on Ebay like that, i would file a complaint for advertising practices showing one thing and selling another.
That just got me so so far away from you guys.

Same with the nozzle filter. Yes it was stated that its required, but it was stated at the very bottom and there was no option to buy nozzle with filter when i was completing my purchase. If it was there and said to be "recommended" then i would add it but the only option you get is 1.75 or 3mm, no filter options as if its not important.

I absolutely HATE this tactic of sales. Its low and dirty regardless of what anybody says or blame me for not reading something thats at the very end of the poem.

Thanks!

Industrial filament extrusion companies dry the PLA 2 hours before use. If they have a large hopper, the hopper has to have integrated drying. That's how pissy PLA is about humidity.

Also, is there something about the pellets that make them susceptible to the moisture, or will we have to do the same to any old prints we grind up to recycle?  Gut feeling is that PLA as a material itself is moisture-sucking, right?

Thanks for all the help!

raykholo wrote:

Tim:  Any special considerations for the drill bit?  I'll throw some of these:  http://www.mcmaster.com/#2958a24/=t5lshy (and incremental larger sizes) into my upcoming order at McMaster.  I do want to setup the winder and get a read on what those diameters are before I drill the nozzle.

Those are probably fine, but I use these:  30565A227

Same bit material, 135 degree angle.  Should have noticed those, they're right above what I linked in the catalog.  Thanks.

Drill out nozzle, go back to slightly higher temps.  Understood, will do.