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	<updated>2013-08-05T16:50:09Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Glass Beds, Sand them or no, Heat or not?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>if you really insist on not using heated bed at all... you might want to take a look at perf board.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[RavensCrest]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/651/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-08-05T16:50:09Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Glass Beds, Sand them or no, Heat or not?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Just an FYI for everybody.&nbsp; This weekend I started experimenting with glass plates and no heat on the bed.&nbsp; ABS bright yellow, Extruder run at 180 C and 20mm/s for first layer on all tests.&nbsp; </p><p>Tried a scotch tape branded liquid glue with a sponge type applicator that I got at Walmart.&nbsp; The ABS stuck just long enough to make half of the skirt then peeled up.</p><p>Then I tried Homemade ABS slurry.&nbsp; I didn&#039;t really measure my ratio of ABS to Acetone.&nbsp; I basically kept adding ABS to a small covered glass bowl of acetone until it was near the consistancy of elmers school glue.&nbsp; Coated the whole surface of the glass.&nbsp; This worked but I had some concerns about it working with larger objects or multiples.</p><p>Then I covered the surface of the glass with blue painters tape then put the ABS slurry over that.&nbsp; This system worked best of all.&nbsp; I got two almost perfect prints out with NO warping.&nbsp; The almost is because the mini maltese falcon skipped a step toward the last eighth of the print and the head is offset.&nbsp; I think it skipped a step due to tension on the filament feeding in, not due to anything with the build platform.</p><p>A friend of mine etched a glass plate for me.&nbsp; It&#039;s a very shallow etch though, just enough to make the glass cloudy.&nbsp; It still feels smooth to the touch.&nbsp; I am going to try ABS slurry straight on the glass on this one and see if I get better adhesion than the regular glass and ABS.</p><p>I also want to try blue tape on glass with Zip Kicker and thin type Super Glue.&nbsp; There is a guy named Werner Berry that made a delta printer that uses this technique.&nbsp; He puts down blue tape on glass.&nbsp; Then spreads Zip Kicker (an accelerator for glue) on the tape.&nbsp; Then he starts printing and squirts thin superglue at the edges of the skirt.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[JustSomeGuyTN]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-08-05T13:13:59Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Glass Beds, Sand them or no, Heat or not?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>MolecularConcept wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>this thing is very usefull thing:85707 you might find it handy. I use my glass covered bed at 100* with hairspray I have an enclosure and print with a brim I still have slight warping. I think its something everyone has trouble with</p></blockquote></div><p>I&#039;m quite partial to this one <a href="http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:38222">http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:38222</a><br />but I would say step one is enclose the build environment, it may sort you out right away.<br />You can do it on the cheap like I did<br /><a href="http://www.soliforum.com/topic/1306/custom-enclosure-mod/">http://www.soliforum.com/topic/1306/cus … osure-mod/</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[cmetzel]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-07-29T21:31:43Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Glass Beds, Sand them or no, Heat or not?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>this thing is very usefull thing:85707 you might find it handy. I use my glass covered bed at 100* with hairspray I have an enclosure and print with a brim I still have slight warping. I think its something everyone has trouble with</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[MolecularConcept]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/2211/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-07-29T20:48:37Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Glass Beds, Sand them or no, Heat or not?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I have the standard SD2 enclosure but I&#039;ve been running with it off because I&#039;ve been having problems with the filament breaking or pulling too much if I run it through the back.&nbsp; Somewhere I might have enough plexi sheets at home to cover the sides.&nbsp; I will have to figure out something for the top though.&nbsp; I am currently feeding almost straight down from a spool holder I built out of MicroRax sitting on top of the SD2.&nbsp; Oh, and also I don&#039;t currently have a fan mounted on the extruder.&nbsp; I&#039;m using the Lawsy MK4 extruder.&nbsp; &nbsp;I haven&#039;t modified the board to power a fan yet.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[JustSomeGuyTN]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-07-29T19:39:25Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Glass Beds, Sand them or no, Heat or not?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Someone has tried sanding and etching already.&nbsp; Keep it heated to combat warping, I don&#039;t remember if you&#039;re already enclosed or not?&nbsp; Enclosing the build environment helps a great deal.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[cmetzel]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-07-29T19:34:19Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Glass Beds, Sand them or no, Heat or not?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I tried some undiluted glue left on over night to dry on a smooth glass bed.&nbsp; The ABS started peeling almost as soon as it was put down.&nbsp; I couldn&#039;t get a solid first layer.&nbsp; Next I&#039;m going to try Elmers clear school glue and some hairspray.&nbsp; But I&#039;m wondering if I should sand or etch the glass first.&nbsp; I would like to run without heating the print bed if I could as that would speed up my set up time and I think would solve my warping problem.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[JustSomeGuyTN]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-07-29T18:04:09Z</updated>
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