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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. Helpful as always.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jagowilson]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/7321/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-10-12T17:37:27Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jagowilson wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I want to put molex connectors on the fans I bought and installed. For now I&#039;m using butt splices I crimped. Where can I get the 2 pin molex connectors used on the SD3 and SD4? They&#039;re pretty standard, but I couldn&#039;t seem to find them.</p></blockquote></div><p><a href="http://%20Mouser.com%20"> Mouser.com </a><br />part #:<br />640440-2<br />3-640440-2<br />3-7647002-2<br />I forget which ones exactly are used, but they are dirt cheap, so even if you can&#039;t use a couple, you&#039;re only out like 20 cents.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[AZERATE]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/4188/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-10-12T16:18:27Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Fan installation]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I want to put molex connectors on the fans I bought and installed. For now I&#039;m using butt splices I crimped. Where can I get the 2 pin molex connectors used on the SD3 and SD4? They&#039;re pretty standard, but I couldn&#039;t seem to find them. </p><p>Would like to do the installation properly. Butt splices look so ghetto.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jagowilson]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/7321/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-10-12T16:13:45Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Fan installation]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Well I almost got it together today. I just need to figure out a way to print an attachment. I&#039;m running an extra line from my shops main air compressor into our 3d printing office. When entering the office it runs through an air conditioner, cooling the air. Then comes out into a heat resistant hose (so it won&#039;t melt) on the tip of the hose is a needle for a ball pump making an extremely direct jet of cool air. I need to expirament with the psi and the temperature, angle, and connection of course. But I&#039;m getting close.</p><p> </p><div class="quotebox"><cite>grob wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>eflyguy wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>No PSI, they simply move air so that the parts can cool..</p></blockquote></div><p>Objection - very small PSI. <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>Air velocity right on the plastic will align pretty well with the rate of cooling. So whether you move lots of air at 1 m/s or a tiny little jet at 1 m/s the effect would be similar.</p><p>These kind of axial fans are designed to move air over only very small pressure drops, if you put a restriction on them (such as ducting or a nozzle) the flowrate drops significantly. Using a nozzle, as you nominally reduce the nozzle orifice size (from none/infinite nozzle), the jet velocity would go up, until the fan started to choke and it then came back down again. Where that maximum point lay would depend on where you measure, the design of the nozzle and the specific fan you&#039;re using. This would be an interesting experiment if you have a hot-wire anemometer handy (I sure wish I did...). <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>Also, there may be such a thing as too much cooling: interlayer adhesion, warping, even pushing the hot plastic around with the jet etc. are likely if you overdo it! I think the maximum point above for the average 40mm axial computer fan will be more than enough.</p><p>The advantage of the air compressor would be the ability to target the airflow more with a tight nozzle (needing a much higher pressure drop to achieve), such that the surrounding plastic wasn&#039;t cooled unnecessarily. I think your plan is well worth pursuing. <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[shields1.as]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/7171/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-09-19T02:25:52Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>eflyguy wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>No PSI, they simply move air so that the parts can cool..</p></blockquote></div><p>Objection - very small PSI. <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>Air velocity right on the plastic will align pretty well with the rate of cooling. So whether you move lots of air at 1 m/s or a tiny little jet at 1 m/s the effect would be similar.</p><p>These kind of axial fans are designed to move air over only very small pressure drops, if you put a restriction on them (such as ducting or a nozzle) the flowrate drops significantly. Using a nozzle, as you nominally reduce the nozzle orifice size (from none/infinite nozzle), the jet velocity would go up, until the fan started to choke and it then came back down again. Where that maximum point lay would depend on where you measure, the design of the nozzle and the specific fan you&#039;re using. This would be an interesting experiment if you have a hot-wire anemometer handy (I sure wish I did...). <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>Also, there may be such a thing as too much cooling: interlayer adhesion, warping, even pushing the hot plastic around with the jet etc. are likely if you overdo it! I think the maximum point above for the average 40mm axial computer fan will be more than enough.</p><p>The advantage of the air compressor would be the ability to target the airflow more with a tight nozzle (needing a much higher pressure drop to achieve), such that the surrounding plastic wasn&#039;t cooled unnecessarily. I think your plan is well worth pursuing. <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[grob]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/4515/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-09-19T01:51:46Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>No PSI, they simply move air so that the parts can cool..</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[eflyguy]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/6840/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-09-18T20:29:12Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>What psi do these fans attached usually put out? I&#039;m looking to attach one but may use my air compressor and create my own nozzle and attachment with an air hose hooked in. I&#039;ll have a regulator on the hose to control the psi and remove all moisture. I&#039;m planning on milling out my air nozzle on my Bridgeport out of aluminum so it can stand the heat and not melt.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>IanJohnson wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Even if the temp inside the case is 60c, that is still cool air as far as the plastic is concerned.&nbsp; You only need to get the plastic down to maybe 140C (at a guess) so air that is hot for you is still freezing to the plastic.</p><p>The duct is designed to blow air in a circle around the nozzle, but not onto it.&nbsp; This way the plastic will be cooled (and hardened) more quickly right after it gets extruded and hopefully before it has a chance to curl up for overhanging perimeters, or droop down for bridges.</p><p>It also has a tendency to cool the bed.&nbsp; Mine only gets up to the mid 70s when the fan is on, and it is a good idea to leave it off for the first couple of layers.&nbsp; A good companion to the fan would be a ceramic build surface, ie a piece of tile placed on the bed-</p><p><a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/solidoodle/KUuS-4SGRQE">https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgr … UuS-4SGRQE</a></p><p>It retains heat better than aluminum, letting the bed get hotter.&nbsp; I expect it would be more resistant to cooling from the fan.</p><p>The fan is also good for printing PLA.&nbsp; PLA tends to be more runny when it melts, so you want to cool it fast for the best results.</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/7171/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-09-18T00:51:23Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m guessing connecting like this should work for me? Aside from the code changes of course.<br /><span class="postimg"><img src="ftp://ftp.boopidoo.com/boopidoo.com/fajlz/rc/extruder_fan.png" alt="ftp://ftp.boopidoo.com/boopidoo.com/fajlz/rc/extruder_fan.png" /></span></p><br /><p>I also designed an extruder fan holder for a 40mm fan since I didn&#039;t really like the ones out there.<br /><span class="postimg"><img src="ftp://ftp.boopidoo.com/boopidoo.com/fajlz/rc/140824-front.jpg" alt="ftp://ftp.boopidoo.com/boopidoo.com/fajlz/rc/140824-front.jpg" /></span></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Boopidoo]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1585/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-09-04T09:28:42Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi firmware gurus,<br />I&#039;m not having much like dealing with arduino.<br />I have&nbsp; a Solidoodle 3 with this board: <a href="http://www.soliforum.com/post/28760/#p28760">http://www.soliforum.com/post/28760/#p28760</a><br />I had a friend solder up the mosfet and headers into the spots on the right side (not &quot;fan&quot; at the top) as described here: <a href="http://solidoodletips.wordpress.com/2012/10/26/gcode-controlled-extruder-fan/">http://solidoodletips.wordpress.com/201 … ruder-fan/</a><br />I began following these instructions to enable the fan in my firmware and have completed up to step 13: <a href="http://www.soliforum.com/post/43170/#p43170">http://www.soliforum.com/post/43170/#p43170</a><br />Now, when I went to enable the fan as mentioned here: ( <a href="http://solidoodletips.wordpress.com/2012/10/26/gcode-controlled-extruder-fan/">http://solidoodletips.wordpress.com/201 … ruder-fan/</a> ) I found don&#039;t have a &quot;Pins.h&quot; tab on my arduino list as mentioned. I do have &quot;SD2 pin map.h&quot;.</p><p>Under Configuration_adv.h tab I do have this :</p><p>#define EXTRUDER_0_AUTO_FAN_PIN&nbsp; &nbsp;-1<br />#define EXTRUDER_1_AUTO_FAN_PIN&nbsp; &nbsp;-1<br />#define EXTRUDER_2_AUTO_FAN_PIN&nbsp; &nbsp;-1<br />#define EXTRUDER_AUTO_FAN_TEMPERATURE 50<br />#define EXTRUDER_AUTO_FAN_SPEED&nbsp; &nbsp;255&nbsp; // == full speed</p><p>Should&nbsp; I change &quot;#define EXTRUDER_0_AUTO_FAN_PIN&nbsp; &nbsp;-1&quot; to &quot;4&quot;?<br />Do I have the right firmware?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[aaronstalling]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/5503/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-08-28T03:59:46Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m struggling to get this to work on Sanguinololu 1.3a board. Have tested the pins on the board with an oscilloscope and nothings changes when I change the manual control - the fan is just always on.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[BFresh]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1178/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-06-30T20:45:31Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m struggling to get this to work on Sanguinololu 1.3a board. Have tested the pins on the board with an oscilloscope and nothings changes when I change the manual control - the fan is just always on.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[BFresh]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/1178/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-06-30T20:45:26Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>coleke wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>RGargus wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I doubt that any thing else is using SIO protocol, so the A0 could be released from CE funtion on the SD memory, and CE could be hardwired.&nbsp; This would free up a fan control bit.&nbsp; I dont think there would be any loss by making the CE full time.&nbsp; I have not read the code, but surely those involved in development should be able to tell us the impact.</p></blockquote></div><p>RGargus, I am not too familiar with CE function- what exactly is this?&nbsp; Thanks for your input!</p></blockquote></div><p>I appologize for not seeing this post sooner.&nbsp; the CE function means chip enable.&nbsp; Since the sd memory is the only device connected to that perticular bus line, it can be left enabled at all times.&nbsp; The reason for a CE is to allow multiple devices to use the same communication line each in their turn.&nbsp; When the chip enable to a particular device is not enabled, generally the are forced to open circuit mode on the comm line so as to not interfere with another device which may be enabled.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[RGargus]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/283/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-04-30T15:20:02Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s what I thought...I might pick up some of the High Temp PLA by Proto-Pasta. Has anyone tried that filament yet? Thoughts?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[AZERATE]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/4188/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-24T19:05:42Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>PLA will melt/soften at lower temps than ABS so having it near a hot extruder can sometimes not work... with that said I have seen some people do this and it works... I guess it depends on ambient temps and if you have fans cooling your extruder setup.</p><p>also some PLA&#039;s have different melt temps by a few degrees.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[ronsii]]></name>
				<uri>https://www.soliforum.com/user/296/</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-24T19:00:55Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>This may be a stupid question (sorry if it is!), but would it be a bad idea to print and mk5 and fan mount with PLA? I get superior quality from PLA and have had only issues making, well, ANYTHING useful with ABS.<br />I know PLA has a lower melting point, but I also dont want to tear up the mk5 or fan mount.<br />I&#039;m a noob, so please bare with me!</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2013-12-24T17:24:48Z</updated>
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