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That is a thing of beauty!

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The platform looks like it is moving well.  Hope I am not asking too many questions (I wish more had been interested when I designed the delta, would have let me solve some problems before I got to them), but I am assuming you are putting the extruder on the z axis?  If so, Do you have a sketch on where you are putting it.  I am interested because I am not sure how large your print area is going to be, but it looks like the potential size of the bid is only going to be about a quarter of the actual size of the printer.  Unless of course we are looking at this movement upside down and you are putting the extruder on the x and y axis?  Anyway, thanks for putting up with my input smile

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Thanks! There is never too much questions smile when someone asks question often happens that I begin to think and doubt my plans. Often it reveal problems and I can change plans before I make parts!
It moves very well. When rest of linear bearing blocks are attached to each other, that little bearing noise should be gone. I think you never can design fully working thing at one time. There is always something that needs to be changed!

Extruder is going to Z-axis. There will be two bars between "z-poles" which are attached to this:https://db.tt/c9HSYljX  and extruder will be on them! Print area will be about 150mm x 150mm (while I have 214x214 bed.. duh. Luckily this structure is pretty modular so only need to do new bars if I want larger area) so it's about half of the printer size.
It would be pretty easy to change extruder moving on xy-axis and bed on z-axis. Frame is however pretty heavy to get in the air big_smile

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First, awesome work.

From the video: You are moving at a pretty aggressive speed with a lot of mass. While your movement looks very smooth (good design) the motor still needs to overcome the dynamic forces to change the moment from one direction to the other. Yes, traditionally a pulley slip would be the usual suspect, but the motor current is more likely for a 3D printer setup. This is a problem for most printers when pushing a Y axis that is mostly made from plastic parts and much smaller diameter rods.

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Thank you!

I'm sure that pulley is slipping on motor axle. When I push against, it doesn't need much force to stop movement. Motor just spins when pulley doesn't. I'm pretty sure this causes big defect but it is very plausible that some smaller defects are caused by current. Maybe? But that is something what we can see only when the thing is printing some plastic!

I'm trying to figure out how could I make flexible clutches for Z-axles.. I don't like waiting parts for weeks if I order something.
On Wednesday I'm going to my old school and make platform for heatbed. I'll cut it out from 6mm aluminium plate with old NC-milling machine. 3D-program says it weights 206 gramms. It would be something like this:
https://db.tt/onnC0M05

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toobyaas wrote:

Well, I can still answer big_smile
I tried to put max voltage on stepper driver, and it didn't work. I haven't done any measurements so can't answer what voltage it was running. can't really answer about electrical questions since I don't have too much knowledge about it.. hmm

It was in my mind if power source didn't give enough power because it is connected only with couple wires? I quess it can't give enough power with only trough one wire but I thought it is enough with only one motor connected.

But that is past and belt system feels like a better solution. It needed so much acceleration distance with screw etc.

Hi, to be honest, your answer did not make sense to me.
You said "max voltage on stepper driver" and the same time you say "cant answer what voltage it was running."

The number of wires connected to the motor from the driver must be 4, not 2, it will not work with only 1 phase...

Yes, this did not make much sense to me as an answer smile:). But you tried; I appreciate. Your machine work is very nice.

The belt system is in my mind better, anyway.

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Ah sorry, didn't point out myself well enough. When I turned the adjustment screw, Motor sound will become louder. So then there is point where sound radically decreases. I assume when I adjust screw just before that point it gives max voltage?  Might be not, but it didn't work at any point.

And two wires.. big_smile I meant that I have two quite thin wires coming from power source to ramps. And I'm not sure if they can handle enough current.

Hopefully you can understand my explanation now big_smile English isn't my native language, so sometimes there is problems in writing clear enough.

Edit: If I do measurements, which are correct pins? And what kind of voltage should I get from there?
Edit: this was in description of my set https://www.dropbox.com/s/b3npd4qrvck2p … 5.png?dl=0

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Hey! Have anybody tried aluminium bed instead of glass bed? I met this when I was searching things on internet http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:195653

It would be easy to do on tomorrow, since I'm going to my old school to make bed holder. Could use same 6mm aluminium plate by just milling couple millimeters off it.

It would be so easy to clamp with heatbed! Maybe sand blasted surface would stick to ABS without any adhesives? It would be also lighter than glass.

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Pretty sure you will still need something for the print to stick too. Kapton tape for ABS or blue painters tape for PLA. Personally, I would still put glass (with hairspray or glue stick) over the top of that bed, just for easy of change out prints fast without having to scrap the printed print off the bed.
Great project by the way.

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Thanks for the reply! Yep, that is what I have read too. That is good point for the glass bed! I'm still curious how will sanblasted aluminium work with ABS.. Maybe I'll give it a try because it's so easy to do with same effort!
Probably this will still end up so that I have glass bed, but you have seen that I like to try things big_smile

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On the delta, I am using BuildTak.  works pretty well once you get the bed adjusted.  It allows me to heat up the bed to about 60C for abs and don't need it at all for PLA.  Only reason I got it is that I didn't want to build a case around it to keep the heat in and heating up an 11 inch diameter bed to 100C takes a really really long time.   It is not cheap, but I haven't needed to change it out yet after twenty prints.

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Using hairspray, I have printed on the aluminum bed of the Solidoodle, but abs tends to warp easily on it.  I have gotten pretty good results using Kapton tape.  Tried elmer's glue and it works, but I am not a fan.  I can get similiar results with hairspray and Kapton without the mess I get from glue.

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Hmm, BuildTak seems to be very good product! Do you have glass or aluminium plate under it, or is attached straight to heatbed? I think it's not even expensive!
Playing with glues and hairsprays doesn't really inspire me. There must be somekind of solution! Like BuildTak! Have you tried to sand aluminum bed with abrasive paper or something? I think maybe ABS would have more area to stick, if surface is little rough.

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I have it mounted to a glass bed because I wanted to be able to take off the platform if I needed to, but if your aluminum bed is nice and straight, it will work fine on that.  Here's a pic of it on the delta:

http://i.imgur.com/tYsNr2i.jpg

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Okay! Since my build area is smaller than bed, I could buy little smaller BuildTak and be able to take bed off if needed. I'll try to make aluminium bed!
Nice build also!

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I didn't have enough time to do build plate also sad But I did get bed holder ready! I hate to do things in hurry, but sometimes you just need to do so. I would say this  is still pretty successful part. Could be more thinner but it's difficult to say how stiff it would be when planning. Doesn't weight much though.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/52664966/IMG_2014091741674.jpg

When I get home from work, I'll assemble it and do some straighness measurements with dial gauge smile You can expect some photos of it!

If I can get 4mm aluminum plate from somewhere, I could do build plate from it with hand tools. Lets see.

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Okay, bed holder is now assembled and I am very satisfied! None adjustment, just put it there and +-0,175 difference. I might get it straight just by loosening screws and give little poke. With heatbed assembled also, there is much more difference. Could be caused by thickness differces? How straight are you usually leveling your bed?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/52664966/IMG_201409174956.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/526 … 714864.jpg


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Hey, I don't mind your english. It is good. 

When you adjusted the screw, you did not alter the voltage to the motor drive. You adjusted the current-limit on the stepper motor driver. The current limit controls the "current" going to the motor.  The current going to the motor determines how strong the motor is, *if the voltage is high enough.* As the motor spins faster, it needs a higher voltage to the reach the current-limit you set.   This is only for stepper motors...different motor types work differently.

The voltage is determined by the two wires going into the rumba board. The two wires do not need to be very thick, because they are a higher voltage and the wire limits how much current can flow, but not the voltage. The power carried by the wires is (Power = Voltage*Current) . Even if they are too thin, it is not really the thinness that slows down the motor, but in the worst case the wire might get too hot and melt.

The only reliable way to know what the voltage going into the Rumba is, is with a voltage meter.   

The image you attached with your motor spec does not include usable information, unfortunately. It says things like "20% inductance accuracy" but not what the value of inductance is.


All these said, you probably are OK. Most of the time you probably have a 12V power supply to the RUMBA, and the motors are probably low voltage motors which will work OK.  If you ever have problems with steps at higher speed on the belt system, maybe we can explore the topic more.

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Okay, that post clarified a lot, thank you very much! And now I'm sure that motors get enough current and voltage since they work well wink

Very much progress this time! Thursday was only day in this week when I reached to make parts with time. And I made all parts of extruder. It was pretty quickly planning, but it seems working very well. Here is photos of it:

https://db.tt/iHbtbg8D

https://db.tt/U4wQQuHu
https://db.tt/rLNcwjIC
https://db.tt/sxiSZqzl
https://db.tt/BWBEcLOq

This was pretty tricky with only 3-axis lathe! Wish I could have Y-axis, Could do so much more.

Okay, then was time to asseble things and put some blue painters tape to heatbed(no glass or nothing on it, and no heating on).

https://db.tt/CjXuPe8j

And unexpectedly everything works pretty well! I'm using PLA which came with parts from china, because heatbed doesn't heat yet. I made few calibrations and was able to print this:
https://db.tt/jVbLGY4Y

And first full print + another print(I modded g-code since I forgot to put top layers) where it prints top layers. I'm very happy with final result, because I haven't even calibrated a lot!

https://db.tt/udjIWLTA
https://db.tt/ePY5sQVW

https://db.tt/9d65DEtv

I'll upload video when I get it edited!

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Outstanding job!  Very nice work!

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That looks like some fine 3d printing to me smile that is one of the fastest builds I have ever seen.  Especially with all the machining you did.  You are truely talented.

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Thank you very much! It's always nice to hear that kind of words smile

Now I'm getting out of PLA and need to make heatbed working for ABS. And I don't have connector for thremistor.. Maybe my old computer will have one!

Hopefully masking tape will handle those temperatures! This is going to be looong learning process. But it's fun smile

And first usefull print! Adjustment knob for Z-axis. Since printer doesn't have endstops jet, so I need to adjust it every time I restart it big_smile Some difficulties in start, but rest of it looks great IMO!
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/52664966/IMAG1455.jpg

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Hello! Not new parts to printer this time big_smile I've been just printing and adjusting things up! Better quality is printed in every print smile I'm just wondering, why my ABS stics very well to blue masking tape with heatbed at 82C? Really no need to any adhesives yikes

Firts real are ready, and did those with too high temp. In second photo you can see pretty dracamatic difference with those parts. one is printed with 250C and second with 225C. Much better, I would say. I did calibration cube where temp changes 5 degrees at every 5mm and it showed good temp to me!
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/52664966/IMG_2014092213856.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/52664966/IMG_2014092231164.jpg

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Took 23min @65mm/sec! I'm impressed to my own work big_smile

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/52664966/IMG_2014092227861.jpg