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Topic: Rumba vs Ramps? Help with rebuild...

Alright, as some of you know Ive been working on this "SD3" for some time now. It has made more test prints then successful ones. I've seen results a lot of you are getting after upgrading. i have installed a handful of them, yet with little success. I want to keep going and get this printer turning out higher quality prints. I have been hit with issue after issue. I now want to upgrade away from the Sang 1.3a i have now. I cant get firmware to upload now...again.

Suggestions on board options please. pros & cons of rumba vs ramps? I am looking for a board that is user friendly, robust, less head-spins, more of a plug and play & tune kind of deal. I've seen some of the kits on amazon that come with an LCD & drivers.

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Re: Rumba vs Ramps? Help with rebuild...

Just my opinion, and it’s assuming your Sang is functioning properly.  If you can’t get a Sang to work properly, a different board will only complicate things.  The genuine Rumba’s were fairly simple to flash.  You should probably beg user Heartless to help you sort out the real issues with your machine.

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Just my opinion, and it’s assuming your Sang is functioning properly.  If you can’t get a Sang to work properly, a different board will only complicate things.  The genuine Rumba’s were fairly simple to flash.  You should probably beg user Heartless to help you sort out the real issues with your machine.

I am not even sure if my Sang is still functioning properly or not.? I cant get it to upload new firmware. Ive done it before recently, read them again to make sure i didnt over look something. I was thinking a new board flashed with good firmware would be beneficial to support more cooling, maybe a hotter heater for the e3dv6 later on?  I am starting to feel it is user error at this point...not the machine. Poor machine:[.

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Re: Rumba vs Ramps? Help with rebuild...

RAMPS:
pros: RAMPS is very well supported by many community, it is cheap, and have separate Arduino board and RAMPS board. You can replace one of them for very cheap if you burned something on the board, and since it is well documented, you can replace most of the parts that get damaged most frequently on RAMPS board if you have some basic soldering skills.

cons: it is three separate board, connection between three board can be source of instability if you don't print a nice case and immobilize every part very well. It use Dupont pin, while most printer cable use JST plug, you need to cramp your own cable or buy the JST to Dupont pin cable.  three separate board stuck on top of each other make the board very tall, don't fit in many printer internal space. The arduino board can only go up to 12V, so if you want to use 24V power supply, you need separate power supply.

If you are looking for a board that is user friendly, robust, less head-spins, more of a plug and play & tune kind of deal, RAMPS kits is something you want to run away from.

For your Sangiololu 1.3a, if it mostly functional, but you can not upload new firmware, it is likely bootloader is the issue, there are many way of burning the bootloader and firmware through ICSP header onboard, but I'm not sure if it worth your effort to learn all these to rescue a Sangiololu 1.3a board.

http://foraysinto3d.blogspot.com/2011/0 … allel.html
http://foraysinto3d.blogspot.com/2011/0 … n.html?m=1

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RAMPS:
pros: RAMPS is very well supported by many community, it is cheap, and have separate Arduino board and RAMPS board. You can replace one of them for very cheap if you burned something on the board, and since it is well documented, you can replace most of the parts that get damaged most frequently on RAMPS board if you have some basic soldering skills.

cons: it is three separate board, connection between three board can be source of instability if you don't print a nice case and immobilize every part very well. It use Dupont pin, while most printer cable use JST plug, you need to cramp your own cable or buy the JST to Dupont pin cable.  three separate board stuck on top of each other make the board very tall, don't fit in many printer internal space. The arduino board can only go up to 12V, so if you want to use 24V power supply, you need separate power supply.

If you are looking for a board that is user friendly, robust, less head-spins, more of a plug and play & tune kind of deal, RAMPS kits is something you want to run away from.

For your Sangiololu 1.3a, if it mostly functional, but you can not upload new firmware, it is likely bootloader is the issue, there are many way of burning the bootloader and firmware through ICSP header onboard, but I'm not sure if it worth your effort to learn all these to rescue a Sangiololu 1.3a board.

http://foraysinto3d.blogspot.com/2011/0 … allel.html
http://foraysinto3d.blogspot.com/2011/0 … n.html?m=1

The Taurino  will do 24 volts. The voltage limit is in the Arduino, not the Ramps. The Ramps can handle up to 36 volts.

https://reprap.org/wiki/Taurino

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The Taurino  will do 24 volts. The voltage limit is in the Arduino, not the Ramps. The Ramps can handle up to 36 volts.

https://reprap.org/wiki/Taurino

True, but will have to remove cheap from the cons. (Taurino Power alone cost about the same as the whole RAMPS kits including Arduino+RAMPS+LCD-SD reader+Step Driver.)

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yizhou.he wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:

The Taurino  will do 24 volts. The voltage limit is in the Arduino, not the Ramps. The Ramps can handle up to 36 volts.

https://reprap.org/wiki/Taurino

True, but will have to remove cheap from the cons. (Taurino Power alone cost about the same as the whole RAMPS kits including Arduino+RAMPS+LCD-SD reader+Step Driver.)


Most people who are looking for a Ramps will or should be looking for the higher priced units. Or even known good brands like SanRio. The easiest way to tell the better from the cheap is if there is a heatsink on the MOSFET. Little to none of the cheap RAMPS have a heatsink on the MOSFET while the kits that run $30 plus, do in many cases have a heatsink on the MOSFET.

So the cost in upgrading to a Taurino is really not that bad.

Here you have the Taurino for $35

http://www.reprapdiscount.com/electroni … ps-14.html

Here as well you have a GOOD Ramps with a heatsink for $59.

www.reprapdiscount.com/electronics/12-ramps-14.html

Here you can get the Taurino for $15 but since it is the brown board it is a clone and your mileage will vary with it.

https://www.robotdigg.com/product/584/T … ga-2560-R3



You have to keep in mind that most of us unlike you prefer quality over cheap. You also don't need a display if you have a dedicated PC.

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carl_m1968 wrote:

The easiest way to tell the better from the cheap is if there is a heatsink on the MOSFET. Little to none of the cheap RAMPS have a heatsink on the MOSFET while the kits that run $30 plus, do in many cases have a heatsink on the MOSFET.

RAMPS1.4 don't have heatsink on the MOSFET, RAMPS1.6 have heatsink on MOSFET. It is different version of the design, not a good marker for quality.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71Or5Vu9ECL._SL1000_.jpg

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yizhou.he wrote:
carl_m1968 wrote:

The easiest way to tell the better from the cheap is if there is a heatsink on the MOSFET. Little to none of the cheap RAMPS have a heatsink on the MOSFET while the kits that run $30 plus, do in many cases have a heatsink on the MOSFET.

RAMPS1.4 don't have heatsink on the MOSFET, RAMPS1.6 have heatsink on MOSFET. It is different version of the design, not a good marker for quality.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71Or5Vu9ECL._SL1000_.jpg


You have a different view of what is called a heatsink.  Marked in red is also a heatsink that the original quality RepRap version of the 1.4 includes. As also seen in the link I supplied that you obviously did not bother to look at.

http://soliforum.com/i/?hm7CKdu.jpg

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You are right, did not notice the 3rd one have black heat sink. The other two naked mosfet is more obvious.

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Re: Rumba vs Ramps? Help with rebuild...

First off I would like to thank all of you who have compiled this info, along with pictures. Here we go... I went RAMPS to start... I am looking forward learning how to use Arduino to build other projects with the printer as well. I got a KINGPRINT Ramps 1.6 Plus, ReliaBot Hot Bed Power Expansion Board, and a kit with a Arduino board a ramps 1.4 board LCD & drivers. I can use the same end stops right?

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I see you decided

here area couple other options
https://ultimachine.com/
these boards are no cheep imports these are made in  USA . these guys make the boards for Lulzbot and Prusa among others

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Tin Falcon wrote:

I see you decided

here area couple other options
https://ultimachine.com/
these boards are no cheep imports these are made in  USA . these guys make the boards for Lulzbot and Prusa among others

I have. I know i'll most likely hear about the choice i made. The reason I chose to go the route i did wasnt't the cost of the new board it was the cost if i screw something up learning, its cheaper to replace an Arduino and ramps if i was to damage it learning. I will upgrade to a better board down the road. I feel the hardware i bought will be hold up fine for the time being, Seeing how the Sang board held up as long as it did for me.

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I see you decided

here area couple other options
https://ultimachine.com/
these boards are no cheep imports these are made in  USA . these guys make the boards for Lulzbot and Prusa among others

I have. I know i'll most likely hear about the choice i made. The reason I chose to go the route i did wasnt't the cost of the new board it was the cost if i screw something up learning, its cheaper to replace an Arduino and ramps if i was to damage it learning. I will upgrade to a better board down the road. I feel the hardware i bought will be hold up fine for the time being, Seeing how the Sang board held up as long as it did for me. RAMPS1.6+, 12864LCD, & a 30A SSR to reroute the power off the board for the HALE bed heater. Also, no more "SD3" Bare metal case. Printer is now satin espresso brown & white & satin cleared.

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It is a hobby for most of us so you get to make your own choices.
I have yet to invest in a really quality board myself.
and I did blow an arduino board building my first kit . so no criticism from me.
Also if you want to upgrade to a better board I would not wait too long .
In my experience you build a kit then forget the finer points. after a few weeks to months then you need to climb the curve the next build.

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What firmware does a Ramps use?  It looks like a suitable board for hacking up a printer.

I don't need one, just curious.

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What firmware does a Ramps use?  It looks like a suitable board for hacking up a printer.

I don't need one, just curious.

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you can Marlin, Repetier, and other similar firmwares

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heartless wrote:
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What firmware does a Ramps use?  It looks like a suitable board for hacking up a printer.

I don't need one, just curious.

-Kevin

you can Marlin, Repetier, and other similar firmwares

Heartless, Speaking of firmware I got my printer rebuilt, the only few things left I have to do is wiring, and find & configure  firmware for a RAMPS1.6+. Would you beable to help me out? i seen in the marlin firmware i used before two opitions for ramps 1.4

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hammade90 wrote:
heartless wrote:
knowack wrote:

What firmware does a Ramps use?  It looks like a suitable board for hacking up a printer.

I don't need one, just curious.

-Kevin

you can Marlin, Repetier, and other similar firmwares

Heartless, Speaking of firmware I got my printer rebuilt, the only few things left I have to do is wiring, and find & configure  firmware for a RAMPS1.6+. Would you beable to help me out? i seen in the marlin firmware i used before two opitions for ramps 1.4

sorry, but i know very little about the Ramps boards, and what little knowledge I do have is on the v1.4

had you gone Rumba, I could help you more.

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http://soliforum.com/i/?yZLn3np.jpg

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To my knowledge there has been no pin-out change on the various ramps itinerations .
Mainly you need to select the mega 2560 board in arduino ide  also IIRC you need to use version 1.6.7 for the LCd screen to work.

you will have to set reasonable  steps per mm based on jumpers selected and based on the drivers you are using.
end stop settings s, motor direction etc all need to be set up and when close you will need to tune the PID loop. to tue the heaters.
Also IIRC since using the relay make sure heater is set to bing bang  rather than pwm mode.
Possibly someone here who has converted a SD3 or 4 to ramps can help you with there version of the firmware

I wiil help as much as i can but not a ramps expert and I do not play one on TV (or You tube)
I have however built a couple  successful  folger tech kits one using a ramps board (v 1.4)

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heartless wrote:

http://soliforum.com/i/?yZLn3np.jpg

the board on the left is a Hot Bed Power Expansion Board Heating Controller MOSFET High Current Load Module Over 30A 12V or 24V. probably over kill at least my ramps board will stay cool.

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hammade90 wrote:
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http://soliforum.com/i/?yZLn3np.jpg

the board on the left is a Hot Bed Power Expansion Board Heating Controller MOSFET High Current Load Module Over 30A 12V or 24V. probably over kill at least my ramps board will stay cool.

was showing step by step I plan to do a whole write up

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To my knowledge there has been no pin-out change on the various ramps itinerations .
Mainly you need to select the mega 2560 board in arduino ide  also IIRC you need to use version 1.6.7 for the LCd screen to work.

you will have to set reasonable  steps per mm based on jumpers selected and based on the drivers you are using.
end stop settings s, motor direction etc all need to be set up and when close you will need to tune the PID loop. to tue the heaters.
Also IIRC since using the relay make sure heater is set to bing bang  rather than pwm mode.
Possibly someone here who has converted a SD3 or 4 to ramps can help you with there version of the firmware

I wiil help as much as i can but not a ramps expert and I do not play one on TV (or You tube)
I have however built a couple  successful  folger tech kits one using a ramps board (v 1.4)

This ramps board is just a hardware upgraded ramps 1.4 board.
https://www.biqu.equipment/products/biq … grade-from

"SD3" 5/02/13 03943, RAMPS 1.6+, Enclosed,  360W12V30A PSU, E3DV6(new model), Nema17 .9 (E)  Over kill Y brackets, Y drive Bearings, Y-Direct Drive, Hale bed heater on 3/16 aluminum, Lawsy Carriage upgrade, gt2 20T Pulleys.