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Topic: Filament Loading Issue - Day 1 Newb

Hello all,

I've just unboxed my Da Vinci 1.0 and have attempted to run a demo.  Picked up the unit on NewEgg last week.  When originally loading the cartridge and running the load filament utility, a red filament was present from the extruder.  I am using the original stock white filament that was packaged with the printer.  I hope I wasn't sent a refurb.

I ran the demo assuming that was fine, and nothing ever came from the extruder again.  The temp readings were climbing as I would assume is normal.  I feel as if the filament itself engages the extruder loader appropriately.  Nothing ever feeds.  I have ran the load filament utility several times.  I have unloaded the filament using the utility and attempted to poke the extruder with the supplied wire tool.

I found this post - soliforum.com/topic/7862/new-davinci-20-cannot-even-load-filamen- but this did not leave me with much idea on how to take apart the filament holding device.

Does anybody have any tips or suggestions for what I may be missing?

Thanks,
Ken

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Re: Filament Loading Issue - Day 1 Newb

Push harder when you lead the filament into the extruder.  Like hard.  I beleive (And I have not seen it) that there are 2 'gears' that the filimant runs between, and you have to basically force them apart to get the filament in them.  I did allot of reading before I bought mine, and that's what one guy had said, is that he needed to really push down hard on the filament.  As far as the red, that is (I would assume) normal.  In the videos I watched some yellow extruded on the first print, presumably from the testing before the machine left the factory, but I suppose its plausible they switched to red.

Hope that helped.


AgentK wrote:

Hello all,

I've just unboxed my Da Vinci 1.0 and have attempted to run a demo.  Picked up the unit on NewEgg last week.  When originally loading the cartridge and running the load filament utility, a red filament was present from the extruder.  I am using the original stock white filament that was packaged with the printer.  I hope I wasn't sent a refurb.

I ran the demo assuming that was fine, and nothing ever came from the extruder again.  The temp readings were climbing as I would assume is normal.  I feel as if the filament itself engages the extruder loader appropriately.  Nothing ever feeds.  I have ran the load filament utility several times.  I have unloaded the filament using the utility and attempted to poke the extruder with the supplied wire tool.

I found this post - soliforum.com/topic/7862/new-davinci-20-cannot-even-load-filamen- but this did not leave me with much idea on how to take apart the filament holding device.

Does anybody have any tips or suggestions for what I may be missing?

Thanks,
Ken

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Re: Filament Loading Issue - Day 1 Newb

Thanks for the quick reply.

I pushed harder, harder than what I assumed would be needed for the device.  It did advance further.  Still no filament priming from the extruder on a few attempts.

I then met quite a bit of resistance removing it, so I ran the remove setting.  It reverse fed about an inch.  I removed it the rest of the way, and there are now obvious gear marks well past the tip.  The length of the piece I fed is probably reaching down to the tip with the amount I have it fed.

Any other suggestions?

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Re: Filament Loading Issue - Day 1 Newb

I don't believe the filament can go down any further, I've really jammed it in there and feel as if I'm hitting the end.  I can see a silver metal gear through a hole that appears to be attached to the release arm.  I do not notice it move when loading, but it definitely moves when unloading - successfully.

I can actually see this gear spin when I manually feed it...

hmm

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I manually fed it when the above gears were moving forward - they did not have the power to feed on their own unless I began with the assist.

All is well, now on to see how the calibration is!

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Have fun with the calibration.  For an example. run a calibration, do nothing (no adjustments) and then run it again...
After you do that you will see why many people on here think its useless.

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The best tip I got for calibrating is too get the first calibration point somewhere between 200 and 250 then get points 2 & 3 to match each other to within 20, it doesn't matter what value they are.
Finally, adjust screw C until points 2 & 3 come within 20 of point 1 and you should get a calibration success.
This method has worked well for me since I started using it.

Davinci 1.0 with repetier firmware & E3D V6 Lite
Anycubic Photon DLP printer, Einscan-S 3D scanner
Simplify3d, 123D Design, Meshmixer
http://www.thingiverse.com/scobo/designs

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Re: Filament Loading Issue - Day 1 Newb

As "new" owners of this hardware, we tend to expect something in the way of help in the documentation but there is so little of value there we might as well take a few hours and write our own (would be interesting to compare them after 30 days) - anyway, I had the same issue with pressing, squeezing, wondering, cussing, etc... all for nothing when you finally find out that there is a vertical metal lever (in line and just above the molded plastic "chassis carrier block" that holds the entire extruder head, etc.) and this lever is spring loaded (you can barely see the spring thru an opening just above the stepper motor that's mounted there.  If the system is cold it's a little harder to move but if you're doing an "install" routine, then carefully push that lever to the left (as you're standing in front of the entire box) and with your other hand push the filament down into the tubes/hole for it and the cogs will pickup the strand.  It took me almost three hours of putzing around (yes that's an engineering term) to find this, figure it out and find that it works quite easily.  About 5 minutes in a manual would more likely than not give anyone who was willing to read it the same information but sometimes we don't "read" as we should either.

One of the more often found warnings about 3D printers is that we're all getting onto this boat at its very early stages of life - it's not matured enough nor time enough so far for manufacturers to buckle down and get competitive so they all seem to limp along and do the bare minimum in terms of designing, building and documenting as many aspects of their product as they should - all because we're so damn eager to hand that money across the table and take this "new stuff" home with us.  This IS one of those things we'll all get past in time if we persist with some patience and also some "direct to the forehead" feedback to the manufacturers about short-sheeting us with products that are essentially about two to three cycles out of sync with what we should expect to see in a new product development.  We're all guilty of some portions of this picture but on days when the darn things works good, we're too excited to tell them that as well, and we should.

See if this helps with the filament loading issue and then be patient with yourself but persistent as well with playing the small role as "R&D support personnel" because that's what we're all doing - the pay is lousy but the rewards will be there in time.  Thanks.

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I had a problem day one also loading the filament.  I didn't realize, but the printhead was not pushed in properly.  Probably moved from shipping.  Once I popped that in correctly, the filament loaded fine and I was able to print the keychain.

Off and running!!

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Grab the Da Vinci calibration app for Android from the Amazon app store. It will save you a lot of time. I am not affiliated with the author but I happily recommend the app. I can calibrate the printer with 2-3 passes. Without the app its a lot of guesswork.

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dsell wrote:

Grab the Da Vinci calibration app for Android from the Amazon app store. It will save you a lot of time. I am not affiliated with the author but I happily recommend the app. I can calibrate the printer with 2-3 passes. Without the app its a lot of guesswork.


You could also do the manual method that many including myself have described here and is much more accurate.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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dsell wrote:

Grab the Da Vinci calibration app for Android from the Amazon app store. It will save you a lot of time. I am not affiliated with the author but I happily recommend the app. I can calibrate the printer with 2-3 passes. Without the app its a lot of guesswork.

+1 for that to get you in the right "ballpark".
Then do a manual calibration straight after you get a pass to get better accuracy.

Davinci 1.0 with repetier firmware & E3D V6 Lite
Anycubic Photon DLP printer, Einscan-S 3D scanner
Simplify3d, 123D Design, Meshmixer
http://www.thingiverse.com/scobo/designs

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scobo wrote:

+1 for that to get you in the right "ballpark".
Then do a manual calibration straight after you get a pass to get better accuracy.

The printer will display the message "Press OK to Save" after the calibration passes. Is that saving the calibrated target elevation of the Z axis? If so then any manual calibration should be really close to that number if I understand this correctly.

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dsell wrote:
scobo wrote:

+1 for that to get you in the right "ballpark".
Then do a manual calibration straight after you get a pass to get better accuracy.

The printer will display the message "Press OK to Save" after the calibration passes. Is that saving the calibrated target elevation of the Z axis? If so then any manual calibration should be really close to that number if I understand this correctly.


That saves the target the auto cal comes up with but that value is far from optimum. What they don't tell you is the correct bed level height across the bed should be about half of your starting layer height. Your starting layer should look squished. For example if you print at .3 then your layer should be .15. In most cases .15 is good for all layer heights unless you try going to .1 or lower. With stock firmware the best you can do is .2 which is the fine setting.

So you are looking for a gap between the bed and nozzle of about 1 sheet of paper. The stock auto cal makes this gap way to high. It usually makes it .25 or greater. The numbers that you see are actually supposed to be the height in hundreds of a mm. So a reported number of 256 would be .256, 325 would be .325. All of these values are too high and due to the way the measurement is taken it is near impossible to get below 200 without it failing.

Trust me when I say this and most seasoned users will vouch for this as well. No one uses the auto cal once they get a passing value stored. They all do manual calibrations with the spacer of their choice, feeler gauge, paper, business car ( a bit too thick) and other creative items.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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Got my printer a couple hours ago (newegg special) and had a b*tch of a time trying to get the filament in the first time.  after farting around with it (another technical term) I pushed the pin to the extruder and wiggled it a bit and then played with the black squeeze handle on the box and managed to get the filament to go in, it bent I was pushing so hard.

The first few strands were bright yellow so I'm guessing these are tested in the factory before being shipped out. I printed out the demo keychain immediately, no calibration and it came out surprisingly clean.  I really was not expecting it to print so cleanly.

On my next print I loaded an STL from thingiverse and got an error code 0011 (unable to reach temperature). I restarted the printer, reloaded the STL and tried again and it has printed fine.  Hopefully that was just a fluke.  I'm on FW 1.1.J and using the latest xyzware from their website (with no internet access) btw.