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Do all of you like your da vinci? I'm debating between a solidoodle and da Vinci. I had a printrbot, but it took way too much fiddling every single time I tried to print something. And many times something would need a re print etc. Is it worth spending more for one of these printers?
I love my Da Vinci,Yea it takes some fiddling with but what 3D printer doesnt? For the money I would say for sure get the Da Vinci.
Very cool. I read something about it having to store the full file on memory before it can print and bigger files may be too big. That's a little worrisome.
I love mine as well. Even without converting to Repetier firmware, I've been getting painless results the majority of the time.
I have sometimes used Slic3r instead of XYZware, but typically I don't and the stock software works fine. I only use Slic3r for particularly difficult models that XYZ doesn't manage to do correctly, and to be honest that's only been a couple of especially complex organic shape models.
You can use repetier?? That's cool because I'm used to it with printrbot.
You have to install the alternative Repetier firmware (see the Voltivo.com DaVinci forums to read all about it) in order to use Rep. Host. I haven't made either change, but many folks have.
Da Vinci is a bargain even in Australia.... The only minus is the filament price but it is quite easy to overcome!
Very cool. I read something about it having to store the full file on memory before it can print and bigger files may be too big. That's a little worrisome.
Stock SD card is a 4GB SDHC card from ADATA. Large complex calibration print that fills the bed on the printer is for instance 52MB saved as gcode. This is about the same size as a max size printable "scanned" item since scanned things tend to have no straight lines and very intricate outlines that the slicer has to trace for thousands of layers.
Personally I've tried to find something on Thingiverse that is too complex to slice that would be something that would fit on my printer as part of my testing of alternative slicers instead of XYZware. I have yet to find anything that Cura couldn't slice due to size or complexity (errors in the model being a different story). None of these slices ended up anywhere near 1GB let alone 4GB.
It may be possible to create something that is at max platform size and complex enough to run out of the 4GB of space, but I'd hate to know how long it would take XYZware to slice it. If past experience is any indicator, XYZware would crash long before it could finish a job like that.
3ddder wrote:Very cool. I read something about it having to store the full file on memory before it can print and bigger files may be too big. That's a little worrisome.
Stock SD card is a 4GB SDHC card from ADATA. Large complex calibration print that fills the bed on the printer is for instance 52MB saved as gcode. This is about the same size as a max size printable "scanned" item since scanned things tend to have no straight lines and very intricate outlines that the slicer has to trace for thousands of layers.
Personally I've tried to find something on Thingiverse that is too complex to slice that would be something that would fit on my printer as part of my testing of alternative slicers instead of XYZware. I have yet to find anything that Cura couldn't slice due to size or complexity (errors in the model being a different story). None of these slices ended up anywhere near 1GB let alone 4GB.
It may be possible to create something that is at max platform size and complex enough to run out of the 4GB of space, but I'd hate to know how long it would take XYZware to slice it. If past experience is any indicator, XYZware would crash long before it could finish a job like that.
Thank you for the great answer. I'm also assuming that since it's an SD card, if you needed, you could just replace it with a bigger one if need be.
I love mine as well. Even without converting to Repetier firmware, I've been getting painless results the majority of the time.
I have sometimes used Slic3r instead of XYZware, but typically I don't and the stock software works fine. I only use Slic3r for particularly difficult models that XYZ doesn't manage to do correctly, and to be honest that's only been a couple of especially complex organic shape models.
Same here.
I read that the filament is really only 300g because when they say 600g, they're meaning with the holder and everything. That is literally 1/4 what you can get at the same price anywhere else. Is that really true? I can understand paying more, but 4 times. wow.
I read that the filament is really only 300g because when they say 600g, they're meaning with the holder and everything. That is literally 1/4 what you can get at the same price anywhere else. Is that really true? I can understand paying more, but 4 times. wow.
Inkjet business model. Its been discussed.
Hence anyone in their right mind hacks the spool.
I read that the filament is really only 300g because when they say 600g, they're meaning with the holder and everything. That is literally 1/4 what you can get at the same price anywhere else. Is that really true? I can understand paying more, but 4 times. wow.
Ok, this will involve some math so bear with me.
You can only find this out if you have a full XYZ cartridge and and empty but since I did, I did this experiment. XYZ as well as everyone else sells filament by weight and not by the meter. The cartridge tracks by the meter and not by weight because the meters left matters and the weight is not a "direct" measure of when the cartridge would run out.
On a XYZ cartridge, one meter of filament weighs 2.5 grams. 2.5 times 240 meter equals the 600 grams that is on a normal retail Da Vinci cartridge (*approx). Now you can compare that against other places that will tell you the meters per kilo for their filament. For instance 400 meters of 1.75mm ABS from Toybuilderlabs is 1 Kilo according to Toybuilders blog. This again comes out to the one meter equals 2.5 grams. If you don't have the empty and full cartridges and a digital scale to check this for yourself, you can still see the numbers Da Vinci is using for meters by checking cartridge info on the machines display.
I did this calculation on the Da Vinci cartridges so I'd be able to know how much was inside it even after using a resetter on the cartridge. Just multiply the net weight times .4 and you get the meters. Different makers of ABS will have slightly different weight per cm3 but most will be close to the numbers I'm calculating from.
The reason that the "industry" sells by weight instead of by meter is so no one can cheat on the numbers and get away with it. As you can guess a slight undersizing of filament would gain you meters while still weighing the same amount if it was sold that way. When sold purely by weight, you can compare the pricing of 3mm versus 1.75mm filament (different sizes) and even filament of different material (ABS, PLA, Nylon, Ninjaflex and so forth) and be able to simply know which is "cheaper" in an apples to apples comparison. You may have seen this type of comparison used if you've ever shopped in a Walmart grocery aisle and saw the "price per unit" amount for items of the same type like a frozen pizza.
This does allow me to make a direct comparison of the pricing of say XYZ filament and Octave as sold by Amazon. Da Vinci is $28 for 600 grams and Octave is $31 for 1000 grams. So in a direct comparison, the Da Vinci cartridge would cost $46.67 if it held that same 1000 grams. This isn't 4 times the cost of a competitor, but a solid price difference. Compared against the price of say Solidoodle filament (also as found at Amazon) it's not so bad. If the Solidoodle filament was also 1 kg, it would cost $47.40 which is the same pricing level Da Vinci is using.
The reason that the "industry" sells by weight instead of by meter is so no one can cheat on the numbers and get away with it.
Any package sold is required by law to declare net weight. fines can be levied if it does not measure up.
Tin
The reason that the "industry" sells by weight instead of by meter is so no one can cheat on the numbers and get away with it.
Any package sold is required by law to declare net weight. fines can be levied if it does not measure up.
Tin
Your statement is correct and I understand that, but that's not what I was trying to say.
If your buying motor oil while the weight is listed, it's not sold that way. It's sold by quart or gallon. If someone is selling reams of paper, it will list the size, weight, and brightness since that allows easy comparison (example - Office Depot® Brand Copy & Print Paper, 8 1/2" x 11", 20 Lb, Brightness 92 (US) , 500 Sheets Per Ream). Televisions are "sold" by diagonal screen size, resolution, and refresh rate.
Not sure if I made what I was trying to say any clearer, but I tried. 
I know exactly what you are saying an I am not arguing.
Maybe I should have said net contents,
a quart of oil had better contain a quart. and a gallon of milk a gallon/. When I was in school for weights and measures a guy brought in a pair of binoculars that stated net weight 400 grams . He wanted to know if he could fine the store if the binoculars weighed less than that. Binoculars are not sold by the pound. You are buying an item.
Thanks for the explanation . What you said was clear.
Tin
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