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Topic: Should I ???

So, I have been looking around the forums for awhile now and the more i look, the more worried i am about placing an order for the Solidoodle 2? In the repair section of the forums all i see are "extruder jammed" "heating issues" "jammed" "jammed again" "still cant get it working right".... How often do these things malfunction? i have been looking at other 3D printer forum sites and have not seen near the amount of post regarding jams, heating issues, or broken parts...

What do you all think? If  you could get your money back...would you buy your solidoodle 2 again or go after another product?

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PEEK hotends are not very forgiving.  After a couple clogs, I upgraded to an E3D and haven't had a single one since.

I have no regrets purchasing an entry level prebuilt 3d printer (SD3).  But I probably would have upgraded the hotend after the first clog had I known better (or perhaps I never would have had a clog if I was more careful about not leaving the extruder at temp for more than a minute); would have saved me some time in the end.

I haven't had any parts break where I didn't play a part by doing something that you're not supposed to do.

I also had the stance going in that if/when issues arose, I would take the opportunity to upgrade parts, and I've learned along the way.

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I have owned my SD 3 for about a year now and for the price I would absolutely buy it again.  There is no question that there has been a big learning curve.  Could the product be better? Sure, but the price would be higher.  I feel that SD is working to improve their quality control and effective communication with the customer.  Getting replacement parts (if needed) needs some work though.  The good news is that with a little research, replacement parts or upgrades can be found elsewhere and usually for less money and little to no lead time.  If your looking for a printer that is just point and click print... The SD will do that with some effort on your part.  It really depends on your expectations and what you plan to use your printer for.
If you enjoy tinkering and modifying then the SD is the perfect printer to get you started. 
Modifications to plan for...
1. enclosure of some kind
2. Heated bed if you order one with out it.
3. Nozzles will clog no matter the brand printer you buy.  I would strongly recommend an E3D hot end on any printer.
I hope this helps

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oneeasytoremember wrote:

So, I have been looking around the forums for awhile now and the more i look, the more worried i am about placing an order for the Solidoodle 2? In the repair section of the forums all i see are "extruder jammed" "heating issues" "jammed" "jammed again" "still cant get it working right".... How often do these things malfunction? i have been looking at other 3D printer forum sites and have not seen near the amount of post regarding jams, heating issues, or broken parts...

What do you all think? If  you could get your money back...would you buy your solidoodle 2 again or go after another product?

My impression is that all printers in the consumer category have similar designs made from commonly available similar parts.  ALL will clog or otherwise malfunction from time to time.  For this reason, I've personally modded my printer to use cheap hot ends that I can easily swap out (knockoff jhead hot-ends, custom quick-release tension arm, mk5-style extruder, coax connectors), but I don't know of a commercial printer that comes this way.  If you are going to get a 3D printer, I'd expect to experience some pain no matter what model you buy.

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yeah, when i buy something with lots of moving parts (cheap parts) i do expect there to be some issues.... i just dont want it to be a "money pit" if you know what i mean... i'm sure upgrading will come with time, but i dont want this time to come like 2-3 weeks after receiving the Solidoodle 2. Should i expect part malfunctions and extruder issues within the first few weeks.

On a side note. i wont be doing anything fancy or outside of the specifications that solidoodle gives me. im not one to tweak outside of the manufacturers suggested options.

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PS: thank you for your responses smile

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oneeasytoremember wrote:

Should i expect part malfunctions and extruder issues within the first few weeks.

From my experience, expect to have decent prints out of the box.  But you will probably not be able to achieve more challenging prints without calibration, possibly quite a bit.

If you don't print too hot or leave the extruder idle at temp for anything more than a moment you should be OK as far as clogs go.  That said, there can be quite a variation between materials and even manufactures, and dare I say material lots.  So it takes some trial and error to find the proper printing temperature.

The thing that got me is that the thermistor placement on the stock hotend causes the temperature to read lower than actual (around 30C less).  So when I was trying to print PLA at 190C+ (as stated elsewhere), it was actually getting much hotter.  Eventually my PEEK softened (from my cavalier efforts to unclog it) and it was downhill from there.

You won't find this information in your single page Solidoodle documentation that comes with the SD2; and you can't get it from general 3D printing forums.  But it's all here on this forum, if you know what to look for.

The Soliwiki is a good reference as well: http://www.soliwiki.com/

This forum had a lot to do with my decision to purchase an SD, and it made it worth while.

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i have been watching youtube videos... some give good reviews while others do not! I did just watch a gentlemen print directly out of the box with some pretty decent results... my first prints do not need to be high resolution...

and an off topic question! Is it possible to print matching Nut and Bolt parts without having to sand or acetone smooth the pieces? im talking without upgrades....

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Just to add some experience with the Soli 2,
Bought mine about 4-5 months ago, it's had it's ups and downs but in the end it's produced a hell of a lot of wonderful prints with very little modification.
I spent the months preceding it's arrival learning everything I could about repairing and modifications.
My machine is mostly stock save for the glass bed and a few minor little bits and pieces.
At the very least, I'd be prepared for a week or two getting to know the printer and it's engineering principles.
You will encounter hick ups, but they are usually easily solved through logic, the trick is not going completely insane...

For the money, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a system of equal quality, not to mention the wonderful community here(Although a Soli product isn't needed to be a part of it).
That said, I always recommend saving a more and looking at something a little more solid such as an Ord Bot Hadron or MendelMax 2.

This is a crowd funding thing that I'm running: http://www.gofundme.com/bvi140 It's for pretty selfish reasons tongue

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I have an SD3, and it's a fun little machine.
It did print out of the box (following the 'getting started' guide from the solidoodle.com website, as suggested in the paperwork it shipped with), and after reading a few negative things about the prospect of this on the web, I was pleasantly surprised.
To get to the level of repeatability and part quality I'm looking for, it's going to need a few modifications. I've already had the bed out to bolt it together a bit tighter!

If you're like me and half the fun of the thing is tinkering with it, then it's close to the perfect printer: a solid, easy-to-access, practically open-source design (due to this forum). Note that tinkering does cost money (bearings here, replacement hot-ends there), so beware that that erodes the great value a touch if this is your intention.

On the other hand, if you're not interested in tinkering, and want it to be easy to use, you might want to spend a bit more money up-front on a more refined product, as per the previous suggestions. You'll probably come away from the experience no worse off in the wallet department and with a few less grey hairs!

SD3. Mk2b + glass, heated enclosure, GT2 belts, direct drive y shaft, linear bearings, bowden-feed E3D v5 w/ 0.9° stepper
Smoothieboard via Octoprint on RPi

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tealvince wrote:

For this reason, I've personally modded my printer to use cheap hot ends that I can easily swap out (knockoff jhead hot-ends, custom quick-release tension arm, mk5-style extruder, coax connectors),

I suffered the same fate as someone else here - that the thermistor moved and the hot end got too hot and melted the peek.

now I have a traditional J head.

I find these of a worse design than the original solidoodle hot ends where clearing clogs in concerned.

with the original printer you can easily heat the nozzle, and then remove the brass nozzle.

to quickly and easily clear a clog hold that nozzle with some pliers and get a blow torch, heat the nozzle to a dull red, then let it cool. then give it a swift poke with a wire brush just to clean it up a bit...

the Jhead, all in one type design can't be cleaned in this way since heating up the nozzle to that hot would just melt the peek again.

-I've considered buying a bunch move nozzles so that I can have a nozzle soaking in acetone and a nozzle in the machine at any one time. but this seems an expensive solution -buying whole hot ends, rather than just buying a few replacement nozzles.  but in the end I'm probably going to drill out my jhead and add threaded rod and original nozzles so that it's more like the original solidoodle design. (or I might drill and tap the JHead to use makerbot nozzles.

oneeasytoremember wrote:

yeah, when i buy something with lots of moving parts (cheap parts) i do expect there to be some issues.... i just dont want it to be a "money pit" if you know what i mean...

my advise...
treat the hot end carefully, it's an annoyingly expensive part of the machine considering what it is.

Make sure you regularly check that the thermistor is secure, -if it comes off the hot end can heat too much and effectively melt itself. at the black bit (peek insulator)
-to be honest it doesn't matter where in the machine the thermistor is regards nozzle or heater block temperature, just that it measures at the same place, -i.e don't get your printer working at 210 then move the thermistor to somewhere else and still expect it to print the same...

don't try to remove the nozzle whilst the hot end is cold, it's all full of plastic, and is effectively welded together with plastic.
thats a great way to break the peek, of the threads in the peek or the brass barrel.

turn the machine on, let it heat up (to around 180) and then loosen the nozzle.

hold the threaded brass tube with some pliers (very gently -don't crush it) and remove the nozzle with either pliers or a spanner/socket etc. -you can then do a short extrusion to push most/all plastic out of the barrel. (but that's probably not necessary.)



For cleaning it (the nozzle) you have a choice of soaking it in acetone for as long as it takes.
or heating it with a blow torch as described above, I prefer the heat method because I'm impatient.


If you want to use the acetone method and leave the nozzle soaking overnight, it may make sense to buy some spares when you buy the machine.
http://store.solidoodle.com/index.php?r … duct_id=77



Basically, there is no reason it should be a money pit.
it's annoying when a nozzle clogs mid print, but you should be able to either cancel the print (annoying and wastes plastic).
or pause the print, mode the bed down so that you can get access, and clear the blockage, before moving the bed back and continuing the print.

The trick is to be calm and careful.

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and for all the above reasons and complicated methods is why I stopped using PEEK nozzles early last year... On the odd occasion any of the all-metal hotends do get blocked/clogged... just toast it with a blowtorch and you're done smile But having said that - a bloke who lost all his fingers in an industrial accident and only is left with his thumbs could count using his hands the number of blockages on all of my all-metal hotends across the myriad of filaments i've used...

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I hacked in all the lawsy carriages with the linear bearings and I run at up to 200 feed rate with no belt chatter.
Aside from that I have another puzzle extruder and hot end ready to bolt up, mainly because I clogged it running the fillastruder product every single time. I think I need to add the screen mesh to that POS while making that stuff and then run it as cold as possible since it cooks off so quickly. The octave filament can sit at 200 C indicated over night and not cook off, though white tends to get a bit wavy that hot.

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foofoodog wrote:

I hacked in all the lawsy carriages with the linear bearings and I run at up to 200 feed rate with no belt chatter.
Aside from that I have another puzzle extruder and hot end ready to bolt up, mainly because I clogged it running the fillastruder product every single time. I think I need to add the screen mesh to that POS while making that stuff and then run it as cold as possible since it cooks off so quickly. The octave filament can sit at 200 C indicated over night and not cook off, though white tends to get a bit wavy that hot.

Glad you got the bearings to work out.  As far as feed rate being at 200... That really tells us very little about your speeds as it only increases (by percentage) the feed rates that are set in the Slicer profile.  So that could be really impressive if your profile speeds are 100+ mm/s.  However, if your profile speeds are in the less than 70 mm/s range then you should try and increase those and see what happens.

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions