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Topic: DIY Smoothing Station

This is turning out to be everything I expected.  Check it out-

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This is a steel stock pot set inside a tupperware bucket with a small pot filled with coins in the middle.  Acetone goes in the stock pot, and the small pot holds the model.  The coins keep it from floating in the acetone.  I would like to find another option for weighing it down that makes a level surface inside.

Boiling, or very hot water goes into the tupperware and surrounds the stock pot.  Acetone boils at around 135F, so it is very easy to get it hot enough.  I have a hose in the tupperware that I can use to siphon out the water when I when I want to refresh it with more hot water.

The condenser coil creates a zone of cool air at the top of the pot, so the acetone vapor will condense rather than escape.  I got a cheap indoor fountain pump and hooked a 1/2"ID vinyl hose to it.  The hose fits over some 1/2" copper tubing which I bent into coils just large enough to grip the inside of the pot.  The pump goes into a tub of ice water and pumps it through the copper coils and back into the tub through another hose.

I already had a candy thermometer around, and used it to keep track of the acetone in the stock pot.  When I reached my hand in, I could definitely feel the cool air at the top, and uncomfortable heat (130F) in the small pot at the bottom.

Here is a test I did.  I left it in for about a minute, which was probably a litile too long.

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That is a very encouraging start. I look forward to seeing where this is going.

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Ian,

Glad to see you liked my suggestion for inverting the inner cup to capture the vapors.

With that in mind, I wouldn't go hog wild on heating up the acetone.  Keep it well under the actual boiling point, say 115... you want to warm it up to increase the vapor content, but getting it to the boiling stage will unduly waste your acetone (and create a larger fire hazard).  This will also reduce your cooling requirements.

For cooling, I'd go for a more passive approach... a freezer cold pack or two laying on top of the pot is likely more than adequate, especially if you reduce the heating temp.  That will cut down on the need for pumps, ice cubes, water, etc.

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I can just imagine what your neighbors are thinking you're making back there.  Cops are probably on their way as I type this..

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Ian- you've just given me an awesome idea for chilling wort (for homebrewing) without running water into the drain! Have to clean off the acetone, though!

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The coils do a pretty good job of keeping the vapor in.  Even when it is boiling, I can't smell the acetone at all.   The idea of the coils is to keep the vapor concentrated at the bottom, with a layer of air between the vapor and the top of the pot.   I haven't tried it yet, but I should be able to float a balloon on top of the vapor layer.

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Ian, can you follow up on your experiences with your smoothing station?  I am going to order parts to make mine tomorrow and am curious how yours has been. I am planning on a few design changes, but I am curious how yours has gone.

I am planning on using a hot dog bun steam pot with a digital hot plate. This would eliminate the need for the hot water reservoir and allow all of the condensed acetone to sink back into the pot instead of piling up in the model pot. Additionally, I am planning on using something close to air conditioner coils with a compressor and throttle so I don't need to worry about ice cubes or the like.  Finally, I was thinking about making a second phase for evenly encouraging the evaporation of the remaining condensed acetone on the model. To do this I would like to use a motorized lazy Susan with a fan. Let me know what you think and I will be happy to share my plans and progress.

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a smoothing station based on a liquid that becoems explosive and is toxic is not my idea of a good idea. but I was goign to ask is anyone had conisdered a smoothing station based off of a brass polisher system?

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My setup is outside, and since I am using only hot water, there are no ignition sources of any kind.  Also I wear a respirator when using the smoothing station since the fumes are more concentrated.

For things I can set down, I'm going to start using a folding steamer basket.  I've also used a wire to dangle a model in the pot.  I had one thing that was too tall, so I just used the water bath without the coils, and that was fine.  I figure it loses a little more solvent, however.

To find out more about how these are done professionally, look up vapor degreaser.  They use this of process clean components by condensing solvent vapor on to them.

I was considering setting up a dryer by mounting a couple of 120mm computer fans on either side of a tub.  If they could be mounted at an angle, they might set up a bit of a swirl.  That would be simpler that putting a motor on a lazy susan.

Someone on youtube had the great idea of filling a bucket with corncob or walnut media, putting in the metal to be polished, and putting it in the dryer packed with pillows and set to no heat.  There is plenty of room for a 5 gallon bucket, which would be hundreds of dollars if you bought tumbler that size.  Corncob is apparently the media of choice for cleaning brass casing, but I don't know what would be the most effective for ABS or PLA.

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this may help you http://www.jurai.net/~winter/tumbler/tumbler.html there are a few others out there on DIY tumblers though if anyone has a friend that reloads it may be interestign to get someone to try it out