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Topic: What's the best SLA resin out there today?

I have a form 1+ and I'm OK with applyLabWork resin but it's not as good as the FormLabs resin. So I was wondering if anyone could share their experiences. Will DLP resin work on a Form 1+? if so how? Thx,

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No DLP resin will not work on a Formlabs printer. The resins are formulated differently due to the difference in the laser wattage versus the uv array wattage. Like wise Laser formulated resins will not work in DLP systems. Whatever resin you choose you need to make sure it is formulated for a laser based SLA process.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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carl_m1968 wrote:

No DLP resin will not work on a Formlabs printer. The resins are formulated differently due to the difference in the laser wattage versus the uv array wattage. Like wise Laser formulated resins will not work in DLP systems. Whatever resin you choose you need to make sure it is formulated for a laser based SLA process.

I didn't realize that!  Good to know.

-Kevin

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Thanks for the answer. I really appreciate that. So Carl, I'm sure there have been a lot of threads on this subject but none recently that I can find: What's your thoughts on third party resin for the form one? Shoud I pay the extra money for the FormLabs resin or is there a viable alternative?

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skiprmike wrote:

Thanks for the answer. I really appreciate that. So Carl, I'm sure there have been a lot of threads on this subject but none recently that I can find: What's your thoughts on third party resin for the form one? Shoud I pay the extra money for the FormLabs resin or is there a viable alternative?

You should ask or PM proven. He uses a Form with third party resin and swears by the brand. He posted the brand at one time but I have slept many times since then and cant recall.

Printing since 2009 and still love it!
Anycubic 4MAX best $225 ever invested.
Voxelabs Proxima SLA. 6 inch 2k Mono LCD.
Anycubic Predator, massive Delta machine. 450 x 370 print envelope.

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carl_m1968 wrote:

You should ask or PM proven. He uses a Form with third party resin and swears by the brand. He posted the brand at one time but I have slept many times since then and cant recall.

If you mean me, I use ApplyLabWorks just like skiprmike, but I have no issues with it.  In fact, I think that all current Formlabs resins are formulated and tweaked for the Form 2, and don't really work as well in the Form 1+.

I, for one,  really like the ALW resin, and for the past year and a half been using it almost exclusively.  I've tried a variety of ALW resins, and the only one I didn't care for was the flexible.  I currently use their beige/white and gray, and the only resin I still use from FormLabs is clear, since ALW doesn't yet have a clear.

@skiprmike.  What is it exactly about the ALW resin that you don't think is as good as FormLabs, or contrarily, what is it about FormLabs that makes it better than ALW?  I can see if you were using a specialty type resin like castable or similar, but most of those don't work in the Form 1 to start with. 

Anyway, there are quite a few aftermarket resins, which have been used with various degrees of success in Formlabs printers.  I suggest you head over to the FormLabs Forums and browse through there if you're looking for alternatives.

To print or, 3D print, that is the question...
SD3 printer w/too many mods,  Printrbot Simple Maker Ed.,  FormLabs Form 1+
AnyCubic Photon, Shining 3D EinScan-S & Atlas 3D scanners...
...and too much time on my hands.

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Why would a resin work in a Form 2, and not a Form 1+?

I'm just an Anycubic Photon user, so that's all I know.

-Kevin

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knowack wrote:

Why would a resin work in a Form 2, and not a Form 1+?

I'm just an Anycubic Photon user, so that's all I know.

-Kevin

There's a couple of reasons. 

The Form 2 has a different laser, more powerful, and as such they can formulate certain resins to work with that.  If used with the Form 1, they wouldn't be able to cure correctly.  Also the peel mechanism, and the peel strategies programmed for some of these resins only work on the Form 2, because it works differently.

Additionally, some resins react so strongly with the PDMS coating in the tank, they would kill the coating in only a few passes, so they reserved these resins for their newer tank LT, which seems to be using a combination of PDMS with FEP on top of it.  This surface seems to be much more resilient to the "harsher" resin formulations.  However, they don't make the LT tank for the Form 1/1+, only the Form 2.

Last but not least, because that's FormLabs way of forcing users to move on to the next model.  As new resins were developed, they were are only available as selectable options if you have the Form 2.

The Form 1/1+ is a "dead & buried" system as far as FormLabs is concerned, and they are doing everything in their power to make it go away.  Consumables are going away, you can't buy tanks any longer, repair parts are gone, so if your printer breaks down, you're SOL.  Most of their resins, even though they claim some are still compatible with the Form 1, have already been tweaked for the Form 2 and don't print as well on the older printers, and so on.

It's for this reason, those of us that still have functioning Form 1's are looking at, and supporting those 3rd party vendors, because they represent the last resources for this printer.

To print or, 3D print, that is the question...
SD3 printer w/too many mods,  Printrbot Simple Maker Ed.,  FormLabs Form 1+
AnyCubic Photon, Shining 3D EinScan-S & Atlas 3D scanners...
...and too much time on my hands.

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Thanks for the explanation.  I abhor planned obsolescence, but I guess from a business model, it eases their burden of supporting multiple models of printer.

-Kevin