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Topic: Pallet 2

Anyone here thinking about adding on of these to there printer?
Interesting concept . Not sure i like the cloud based software platform. Free for now but will likely become freemium in the future.
I would not want to put out $ 500- to $600 for one of these and then have to pay through the nose to use the software.

https://www.mosaicmfg.com/

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I saw a first gen at last years makers faire. was pretty cool. But those are expensive

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3 (edited by Tin Falcon 2018-09-08 18:13:26)

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Added features lower price. IIRC the first gen was $899  .
I may pick one of the new  one up at next years East Coast reprap festival.

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tax time toy. yea it is cheaper i see

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5 (edited by Tin Falcon 2018-09-08 21:26:12)

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It looks like the canvas platform will be free for palet users . it will support other similar platforms for a premium fair enough i guess.



Link with the current deatials here

https://www.mosaicmfg.com/blogs/news/canvas-pricing

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What is the advantage over 4 extruder mod? Seemed to be over complicated mechanism to switch color.

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yizhou.he wrote:

What is the advantage over 4 extruder mod? Seemed to be over complicated mechanism to switch color.


It's one extruder fed by 4 different colors. It can be programmed to stop the feed of one color and start the feed of another at any time. Some people may not have a machine that has more than one hotend or don't have room for machine that has more than two hotends so this would work for them to change colors on the fly without having to have multiple hotends.

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There is a lot to the system And you can move this from one printer to another if needed .
There is no need for 4 different hot ends and the motors are integrated into the mosaic pallet unit.
Give them a couple years and likely the price will drop again and more improvements will be integrated.
That seems to be the normal cycle of R&D.   
This is a fairly new concept in 3d printing to be able to print in full color. This may lead to full color blending where you have 5 colors black, white , red blue and  yellow and the machine blends accordingly.
m . This system more than switches color it integrates them into the print or various materials.
It is admittedly a bit pricey the Retail price on the Pallet 2 is roughly twice the price. of the similar Prusa Unit priced at $299. The mosaic team has put a lot into this including software development.
The mosaic is designed to be used with many  most printers. I can also see this being used for large printers as it can be set if one filament runs out it simply feeds the next one in. so one could simply load 4 rolles of the same color and let the thing print for days.

You need to decide if this product is something you need or want and if the price is right for you.
This is just one of the bleeding edge technologies on the market. like i mentioned Prusa had a similar unit and E3d has the 4 tool head printer. that has a lot of potential.

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I think the system can be a lot simpler to load 4 rolls of the same color and let the thing print for days because much simpler logic and accuracy is required. I will agree a striped down version of this system for continue filament feed will have great future because  system can be much simplified and therefore the cost can be very low. It even have the potential to become standard configuration of every 3D printer if it is priced right.

For the multi-color/material printing, multiple extruder is still a better solution because of the simplicity. Complex and high accuracy requirement come with more cost and failure rate.

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I guess that why you a doctor and not an engineer.  But you seem to know better than the engineers ......

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better than everyone lol

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12 (edited by yizhou.he 2018-09-09 22:21:33)

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I was going to be a computer engineer after college, but my mom make me quit and become biomedical scientist.

When I was on computer engineer track, what I learned is engineer and marketing people want different thing most of the time. Whatever engineer want to make may be fancy and advance but they never make enough money. I sometimes wondering if I should switch my career goal to marketing, they can always sell low tech product and make a lots of money and decide to fire half of the R&D team. I was in the only R&D team that they decide to keep and my mom make me quit.

BTW, the point I made is from evolution angle, creatures evolve fancy and complex system to do simple task always dies off faster, not from engineering angle.

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13 (edited by Tin Falcon 2018-09-09 23:13:57)

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You like old and simple maybe you need to buid a set a set of these for your car. You seem to always want to reinvent the wheel rather than sticking to what works.

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I don't like old tech, but for the new tech, it has to be simple enough to become popular. It is somewhat true that new tech always somewhat more complex than old tech, but the success new tech find ways to package the complexity so that it appears to be simple for end users.

Pallet 2 use complex mechanism to do simple task, it has some advantages, but they are not killer application for stuff asking that price. Believe it or not, they will come up with the automatic filament loader sooner or later, if they price it $75-150 depend on how many spool you can load, at least 1/3 of people own 3D printer will get one. Material production cost can be as low as $20 for 2 extruder version.

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Buy it or not like it or not. I posted this as i feel it is information people hear would be interested in.
IMHO the multicolored concept is the future of 3d printing . No it is not for everyone. Time will tell if when i buy one of these. If you are such an expert build and market your own version . If it is good enough and the right price people will buy it. but I see no proof of that happening. It is easy to criticize  harder to make things happen .

People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it.

This also goes for people that claim they can do better but do nothing.

tin

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16 (edited by yizhou.he 2018-09-10 02:03:08)

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Tin, don't get me wrong, I do like your post. I think it introduce a new technology to reader. I hope my comments did not discourge you post this kind of information. I want to thank you for continues effort in bring in new knowledge to us and I learned a lot.

I don't think I can do better to make better Pallet either, with all do respect, Pallet engerneer done great job to make current version as good as it is. However, the solution born with its limitations to do what it is defined to do currently. I don't know much about the finacial situation of this company and hopefully they have enough founding to support till their product mature.

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17 (edited by Tin Falcon 2018-09-10 10:51:57)

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The pallet 2 is a second generation unit  the palette was the first version then they marketed the palette plus I met part of the team at ECRRF they seem motivates an know what they are doing the  IIRC pallet plus was on sale at the show.
If you check there web site there is quite a team behind this product.
And we both know it take more than an engineer with a great product to bring said product to market.
Also IMHO the pallet 2 and the pro 2  are enough alike to streamline production but enough added features and value to make a different model .

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