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Topic: SD3 broken hot end: replace or buy a new printer

Hello,

The nozzle got clogged so I tried to replace it, but in doing so I cracked the black hard rubber housing that the nozzle fits into (the black hard rubber that sits into the jigsaw).

I have an extra nozzle so I thought it would be ok to place the new nozzle into the broken black hard rubber but it's not: the abs is leaking from the crack in the black hard rubber housing.

Here are my options: buy a new J-Head hot end, or buy a new 3D printer (please note my 3D printer has been giving me a hard time since February).

I either buy a new good quality J-Head hot end for $60, or a cheap from eBay one for $5, or buy a new Monoprice Select Mini for $220 (in Canada). The quality of the Monoprice is good (definitely better than the SD3), requires less set-up/calibration than the SD3, and its print area is more than enough for my needs.

What do you think?

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Re: SD3 broken hot end: replace or buy a new printer

put a e3d v6 on it

Sd4 #9080 with a glass bed. E3d chimera duel extruder. Paste extruder , duet wifi.
Lawsy carriages. linear bearings. Y axis direct drive, Kinect scanner
SD4#8188 glass bed, lawsly carriages, E3d v6, octoprint http://www.ustream.tv/channel/hotrod96z28
Filastruder/filawinder, Custom Delta 300mm x 600mm

3 (edited by fadilee 2017-09-30 22:19:31)

Re: SD3 broken hot end: replace or buy a new printer

Yes, that's the long term plan but for now I need to get it up and running so I can print with it. I can do these upgrades later once the printer works so I can print the parts requires for these upgrades.

Here is what I am thinking for now: I can mill the insulation shape from an Aluminum block at work and tap it for the nozzle.

Here are my question:

What happens if I replace the insulation with Aluminum? Of course Aluminum will transfer heat. Will that melt the acrylic jigsaw? The reason I am thinking of replacing the insulation with Aluminum because I saw a lot of J-Head hotends online that are made of Aluminum with no insulation.

What do you think?

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4 (edited by heartless 2017-10-01 14:17:25)

Re: SD3 broken hot end: replace or buy a new printer

buy what you need from https://www.printitindustries.com/... They have all the parts you would require to install an E3D, including a fully assembled E3D, ready to go

All you would have to do is update the firmware to reflect the thermistor change and MAX_TEMP settings for the new hotend.

not hard to do.

providing parts for upgrading broken Solidoodles is why they started their business...

SD4 #1 & #2 - Lawsy carriages, E3D v6, Rumba controller board, mirror bed plate, X motor fan, upgraded PSU & Mica bed heater
SD4 #3 - in the works ~ Folgertech FT-5, rev 1
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Re: SD3 broken hot end: replace or buy a new printer

You are the best!

Can you tell me what part(s) I need to have a fully functioning printer? My printer is stock.

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Re: SD3 broken hot end: replace or buy a new printer

I put an E3Dv6 in my stock carriage on my SD4.  I just took a dremel tool and ground down that top collar on the E3Dv6, so that it was a cylinder.  I don't know how the carriage differs between an SD3 and SD4.

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Re: SD3 broken hot end: replace or buy a new printer

https://www.printitindustries.com/colle … -assembled
https://www.printitindustries.com/products/mk6-extruder

Sd4 #9080 with a glass bed. E3d chimera duel extruder. Paste extruder , duet wifi.
Lawsy carriages. linear bearings. Y axis direct drive, Kinect scanner
SD4#8188 glass bed, lawsly carriages, E3d v6, octoprint http://www.ustream.tv/channel/hotrod96z28
Filastruder/filawinder, Custom Delta 300mm x 600mm

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Re: SD3 broken hot end: replace or buy a new printer

then follow this http://www.soliwiki.com/Updating_Solidoodle_Firmware

Sd4 #9080 with a glass bed. E3d chimera duel extruder. Paste extruder , duet wifi.
Lawsy carriages. linear bearings. Y axis direct drive, Kinect scanner
SD4#8188 glass bed, lawsly carriages, E3d v6, octoprint http://www.ustream.tv/channel/hotrod96z28
Filastruder/filawinder, Custom Delta 300mm x 600mm

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Re: SD3 broken hot end: replace or buy a new printer

knowack wrote:

I put an E3Dv6 in my stock carriage on my SD4.  I just took a dremel tool and ground down that top collar on the E3Dv6, so that it was a cylinder.  I don't know how the carriage differs between an SD3 and SD4.

yeah, that does not work with the acrylic setup of the SD3.

SD4 #1 & #2 - Lawsy carriages, E3D v6, Rumba controller board, mirror bed plate, X motor fan, upgraded PSU & Mica bed heater
SD4 #3 - in the works ~ Folgertech FT-5, rev 1
Printit Industries Beta Tester - Horizon H1

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fadilee wrote:

You are the best!

Can you tell me what part(s) I need to have a fully functioning printer? My printer is stock.

Kronikabuse has given you the links you need to do the job...

do NOT buy the knock off from Aliexpress - they are junk and will give you no end of problems - this is a proven fact.

the genuine E3D is only sold by certain vendors. If you find them on Amazon, Ebay, Ali-express, or any other mass outlet like them, you can bet they are NOT the real deal.

SD4 #1 & #2 - Lawsy carriages, E3D v6, Rumba controller board, mirror bed plate, X motor fan, upgraded PSU & Mica bed heater
SD4 #3 - in the works ~ Folgertech FT-5, rev 1
Printit Industries Beta Tester - Horizon H1

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Re: SD3 broken hot end: replace or buy a new printer

Thanks. I wasn't planning to buying a knock-off. I am just not sure it's worth investing $90 in the SD3 versus a new Monoprice Select Mini for $225.

Even if I buy a new E3D for the SD3, I am afraid I will still have the same old problems: gaps between infill and perimeter, etc, etc, etc...

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Re: SD3 broken hot end: replace or buy a new printer

Its worth it

Sd4 #9080 with a glass bed. E3d chimera duel extruder. Paste extruder , duet wifi.
Lawsy carriages. linear bearings. Y axis direct drive, Kinect scanner
SD4#8188 glass bed, lawsly carriages, E3d v6, octoprint http://www.ustream.tv/channel/hotrod96z28
Filastruder/filawinder, Custom Delta 300mm x 600mm

13 (edited by fadilee 2017-10-02 17:15:35)

Re: SD3 broken hot end: replace or buy a new printer

https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/com … ours_with/

I know it's the Solidoodle Press not the SD3, but all Solidoodles seem to have some serious design flaws.

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Re: SD3 broken hot end: replace or buy a new printer

I love both my SD4's little bit of tweeking and they print awesome

Sd4 #9080 with a glass bed. E3d chimera duel extruder. Paste extruder , duet wifi.
Lawsy carriages. linear bearings. Y axis direct drive, Kinect scanner
SD4#8188 glass bed, lawsly carriages, E3d v6, octoprint http://www.ustream.tv/channel/hotrod96z28
Filastruder/filawinder, Custom Delta 300mm x 600mm

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Re: SD3 broken hot end: replace or buy a new printer

You have the opportunity to make your SD3 "better" than new.

I also have 2 SD4s and both are very reliable, very accurate machines after a few upgrades. (the SD4 is basically an SD3 with side panels).

Yes, the first one was frustrating at times, but in the end, it has been well worth it.

as a little motivation for you... this is what the E3D is capable of when installed correctly, the firmware is updated properly, and the filament is calibrated correctly...

http://soliforum.com/i/?qHb24AL.jpg

SD4 #1 & #2 - Lawsy carriages, E3D v6, Rumba controller board, mirror bed plate, X motor fan, upgraded PSU & Mica bed heater
SD4 #3 - in the works ~ Folgertech FT-5, rev 1
Printit Industries Beta Tester - Horizon H1

16 (edited by fadilee 2017-10-03 02:19:59)

Re: SD3 broken hot end: replace or buy a new printer

That's amazing! I don't think my SD3 can ever print anything like this! It can't even make round circles!

What upgrades do you have apart from the E3D?

Here are the problems I have with the printer:
1) Filament strips (can't print large objects, because after a while the filament strips, needs cleaning of extruder gear)
2) Need new nozzle/extruder--broke recently
3) Y alignment (probably x-alignment)
4) Gaps between infill and permiter
5) Extra material (pimple like) on surface

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If the upgrades cost more than $225, I might as well buy the better printer, no?

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Re: SD3 broken hot end: replace or buy a new printer

No, most of the problems you are experiencing come from a lack of proper calibration, poor slice profiles and easily fixed mechanical slop.   Wasting money on a new printer is only going to build on your frustration.  Because it too will need everything above.  Get a good (E3d V6) hotend and take the time to research and fix the other issues.  There's no question Heartless has several other upgrades.  And at some point you may decide to do some of those as well.  But there is no reason you couldn't install an MK6 carriage and a V6 to get similar results.  Heartless, like myself have spent years perfecting our slice profiles and dialing our machines in.  So don't get frustrated, take this opportunity to learn the finer aspects of printing and the machine you do that with.  If every time you have a problem you buy another printer, then you'll be perpetually disappointed.

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions

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What upgrades do you have apart from the E3D?

In order of installation:
1. E3D v6 - this was by far the best upgrade i have made.
2. Lawsy Carriages (this requires new hardened smooth rods as well - the bearings will eat the stock rods in a short time)
          The bearings allow smoother movement of the carriages versus the stock bushings. (not a necessity, but nice)
3. New controller board (due to a failure of the stock Printrboard) (not a necessity if yours is working)
4. Fan mounted to X motor (prevents overheating of the motor, which can result in skipped steps)
5. New power supply (more readily available power to the printer)
6. upgraded build plate (stock plate was severely warped)
7. Hale bed heater (shorter heat up times, more even heating) (again, not a necessity, but very nice)

Here are the problems I have with the printer:

1) Filament strips (can't print large objects, because after a while the filament strips, needs cleaning of extruder gear)

this is most likely caused by a) not enough tension on the filament gear, and/or b) improper temps of the hotend

2) Need new nozzle/extruder--broke recently

the best option to fix this has already been suggested

3) Y alignment (probably x-alignment)

Belt tension and carriage alignment are what is needed here. There is a video on how to properly align the carriages and the Y belts/pulleys. Belt tension needs to be pretty snug to keep things aligned. Looseness will allow it to get out of alignment. Also of note - both sides need to have close to equal tension - you can not have one tight & the other loose. they need to be as close as possible.

4) Gaps between infill and permiter

fix the belt tension and carriage alignment and this will be fixed

5) Extra material (pimple like) on surface

Proper filament calibration and better slicing profiles would fix this.

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If the upgrades cost more than $225, I might as well buy the better printer, no?

Absolutely NOT. Put your money into upgrading what you already have.
you have in your possession a machine that CAN be a good machine with a little effort put into calibration/adjustments and a few dollars to upgrade what needs upgrading. The thing is, YOU must be willing to do it.

As wardjr has already said - any other printer you buy is going to need to be properly calibrated as well.
There is NO such thing as a "Plug & Play" 3d printer.
Even the high end machines that cost thousands of dollars need to be properly calibrated out of the box.
Anything less than $500 is most definitely going to need help, and would be a source of continued constant frustrations. Most "cheap" printers (the range you are suggesting) are not anywhere near rigid enough for quality printing, nor do they have quality parts in them.

In short - fix what you have. Put in the time and effort to properly calibrate it, then enjoy it.

and just to prove that I did not always turn out quality stuff... and it is possible to fix what you have...
the progression from bad calibration to good...

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SD4 #3 - in the works ~ Folgertech FT-5, rev 1
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19 (edited by fadilee 2017-10-04 18:04:14)

Re: SD3 broken hot end: replace or buy a new printer

Thanks for the feedback guys!

Few more questions:

1) So for my SD3 all I need is the fully assembled E3D and MK6, correct? (I know the MK5 will fit the SD3, will the MK6 fit it too?)

2) Which E3D do I want for my stock SD3: 12V or 24V? Do they ship to Canada?

3) If after installing the E3D I fail to make my SD3 printer properly, can I use the E3D on whatever replacement printer I will buy? I know this is a very vague question, but I guess what I am asking is if the E3D can  fit other 3D printers. (Stupid question, I know, I just want some confirmation.)

4) The E3D has a fan, how do I connect the fan? I am pretty sure my SD3 hot end has no fan or fan wiring.

5) Now you mention it, I am pretty sure my heated bed is warped because I can never calibrate all points evenly. It's always higher along the middle than the corners, and I can only adjust the corners not the middle. How do I upgrade the heated bed?

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Re: SD3 broken hot end: replace or buy a new printer

12v and yes it'll transfer to most any printer (12v) with proper carriage mods.  The fan can be spliced into the cooling fan wires on the extruder motor.  For your bed start with the easiest.  Go get a piece of regular glass cut at your local hardware store.  Use Aqua net hairspray to adhere it to the aluminum.  Apply plenty and heat/cool cycle 3 times.  It will bubble between creating shims to get you a nice flat surface.  This will force you to level the 3 bolts from underneath.  A simple pliers will do the job fine but have it close to begin with.  If you decide to upgrade the bed heater to a hale it will adhere under the aluminum just as your stock unit.  At this point you'd really want to consider upgrading your PSU to get the most of the Hale.  But that is an upgrade you can do later when you're tired of waiting on the stock heater.  As for shipping to CA email [email protected] and I'm sure they will work something out.

Printit Industries Model 8.10 fully enclosed CoreXY, Chamber heat
3-SD3's & a Workbench all fully enclosed, RH-Slic3r Win7pro, E3D V6, Volcano & Cyclops Hot End
SSR/500W AC Heated Glass Bed, Linear bearings on SS rods. Direct Drive Y-axis, BulldogXL
Thanks to all for your contributions