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Stevos758 wrote:

Yes. Shipping for my E3D was surprisingly fast for a 4 week pre order!!

Let me know when you break out that .25 nozzle. I have one laying around I have yet to try.

Also does anyone else's fan make a lot of noise from being loose fitting?


As soon as I get my new heaters in I will be breaking out the .25

My thoughts were to use it for very small .1mm prints to maximize part detail.

I also want to give the .6 a go and see just how fast I can push out parts on the SD (also might give Laywood a try).

SD2 with E3D, SD Press, Form 1+
Filastruder
NYLON (taulman): http://www.soliforum.com/topic/466/nylon/

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Just got my E3D and have it put together and will install it soon.

Does anyone have a line on where to get the connectors that SD uses on the SD3 for the thermister (can the SD thermister be used in the E3D?) and heater?  Would like to just be able to plug into those rather than having to run new wires all the way to the board.

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I disconnected the SD thermistor and heat core and reused those connectors on the new parts.

Though I would like a similar connector for the fan.

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BTW this page lists those connectors:
http://www.soliwiki.com/List_of_compatible_hardware

Connectors
The original hotend connectors are TE Connectivity MTA-100 connectors. The color corresponds to the wire size.

Blue connector (26AWG): http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch … ageSize=25

Red connector (22AWG): http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch … ageSize=25

A heavier connector JST Crimp Connectors: http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=PT4452

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My intention is to have the stock head as a backup so being able to retain the connectors on it would be advantageous.

For the fan, I intend to create a Y connecter out of some JST connectors I have so I can plug both fans into the same source.

Edit: Wow, thanks.  I didn't see them on the wiki.

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Can anybody list their printer and slicer settings for the e3d 0.4 mm extruder. I like to use them as a starting off point if possible.
Thanks.

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janbeckman wrote:

Can anybody list their printer and slicer settings for the e3d 0.4 mm extruder. I like to use them as a starting off point if possible.
Thanks.

Someone will probably be able to post them.. but... there is no drastic changes at all from the 'standard' Solidoodle profiles.

Just make sure "Extruder 1" under the Slic3r settings is set to .4mm, and quite possibly consider lower the 'retract' value to .1 or .2 ...

Outside of that, you just need to set the correct temps in the Filament profile - which again are based entirely upon what you are using and theres no 'one size fits all' setting here... Rule of thumb, add 30°C to the temps you currently use.

Also - jsut to confirm - You have set the correct thermistor type in firmware ? The 'stock' setting of Type 6 is not adequate for >230°C readings - you need to ensure you set it to Type 1, recompile, reupload.

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Thanks Adrian, yes I tried to set the thermistor settings different as well as the maximum allowable temperature, I had a no-go with the upload to the ATmega644P I used all the instructions I found on-line recompiled without a problem but then the upload fails "avrdude: stk500() programmer not responding. So am using the old settings for the time being.

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janbeckman wrote:

Thanks Adrian, yes I tried to set the thermistor settings different as well as the maximum allowable temperature, I had a no-go with the upload to the ATmega644P I used all the instructions I found on-line recompiled without a problem but then the upload fails "avrdude: stk500() programmer not responding. So am using the old settings for the time being.

Okies - Let me have a look at that later tonight - I'm a couple of hours away from my development environment smile . You using the 1.0X versions of Arduino or the 022 version ?

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I downloaded from the google repository, Arduino 1.0.5 with Solidoodle Marlin built in, is that not the right one?

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Yup, just checking which I needed to look at smile

You chose the correct serial port under Tools-> Serial port?

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The e3d instructions tell you: "You must also wire up the fan directly to your 12v power supply. Do not use a “fan” output from your controller board. The fan should be con- nected directly to a 12v supply so that it is always on - as the HotEnd needs constant cooling when in use." The one thing they don't tell you is that the fan must be wired correctly. The Solidoodle leads to the fan on the extruder stepper are not colour coded so hard to tell which one is + and which one is -. I used the same wires to hook up the e3d fan. If the fan does not turn, reverse the wires and magically it will work. Just a heads up....

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adrian wrote:

Yup, just checking which I needed to look at smile

You chose the correct serial port under Tools-> Serial port?

Yes I'm pretty sure, same port as the Repetier host uses, and it works....

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Cool. I'm just testing a few things - but question - when did you get your SD delivered ? there was a batch of Atmega 644's SD shipped that were missing bootloaders - meaning they can't be programmed via any IDE and need first to have a bootloader reprogrammed using another arduino or an ICSP programmer off of ebay...

The symptoms you describe are the same as having no bootloader - does your solidoodle connect instantly when you click 'connect' or does it 'pause' for 3 or so seconds ? If its instant-ish (like within 1 second) then you don't have a bootloader... sad

BUT.. there is also a vague possibility its the ancient bootloader used.. which I can fix.. but I need a bit to test it first so will probably be later today or tomorrow before I post that (if I have to, still testing)

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And if the above pans out you do have a bootloader; next thing; Make sure Arduino IDE is closed, then edit the file arduino-1.0.5\hardware\sanguino\boards.txt ; and right at the top where you see atmega644.upload.speed=57600 ; change this to atmega644.upload.speed=38400 ; re open Arduino IDE and retest..

(note to mods - yes this is way offtopic - when issue is resolve maybe you can split or move the thread... just easier to keep it here for the moment...)

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Changed the max coms speed to 38400 and at least the message from avedude changed, now it is: Yikes! Invalid device signature. Double check connections and try again, or use -F to override this check.

BTW when you say connects immediately you mean via Repetier host? Because it takes a while.

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okies, well, leave it with me. Sounds like you *might* have a bootloader (its still no gurantee, but your description suggests its possible), and its not a comms speed issue.

Let me get back to you smile

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Anyone have a 3d model of the E3D hotend.  the website has a place to download it but the download doesnt work.

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adrian wrote:

....does your solidoodle connect instantly when you click 'connect' or does it 'pause' for 3 or so seconds ? If its instant-ish (like within 1 second) then you don't have a bootloader...

Not true at all... it also depend of your repetier-host version..

I had the delay of the 3s connection with old version of repetier-host.. since the last 2 versions [85b, 90c] i think.. my connection time is near instant..

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ysb wrote:

Not true at all... it also depend of your repetier-host version..

I had the delay of the 3s connection with old version of repetier-host.. since the last 2 versions [85b, 90c] i think.. my connection time is near instant..

Umm, it is true. I hate to disagree with yourself in particular ysb, but what you state is not actually correct.
Whilst your version of RH can influence the overall connection of the program - the Pause delay on connection is determined by the Arduino Bootloader. Every time your Sanguinololu or equivalent board resets, either by pressing the button, or connecting via serial (as RH lowers DTR which causes a reset unless you change this in printer settings) - the Bootloader runs. This will cause a 3-5 seconds(depending on bootloader) pause before the Arduino sketch (Marlin in this instance) runs.

To avoid the Arduino resetting, you can either set RH to not lower DTR, or remove the Reset jumper on the board (if yours has one).

But with a stock setup, and a Bootloader installed, it WILL pause - RH wont connect when the Bootloader is running and the bootloader will continue to run for 3-5 seconds and THEN load Marlin ..... no ifs or buts about it. If it doesn't - then you have switched off DTR lowering, You have removed/replaced the Jumper, or your board does not have a Bootloader installed.

Non-Arduino compatible clones can often have a jumper for the bootloader trigger - bootloader still runs first but will see if a pin is low/high and immeadiately load the program based on that pins status. The new Printrboard is like this.

Any changes in connection between RH versions is either a result of changes to DTR, or purely perception.

If you still believe its not true - please elaborate on how your bootloader within your MCU knows to load or not when you reset the board - this is fundamental to how Bootloaders that allow sketch upload to work function. If you are getting *instant* connection to your Arduino, you *must* have disabled DTR lowering through software or hardware (and thus no reset and no bootloader ran), OR don't have a bootloader.

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I was finally able to upload and change the firmware after Solidoodle suggested using this: http://www.solidoodle.com/wp-content/up … -2012.zip. It worked but now it is set for SD2 not SD3 so further work remains.

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adrian wrote:
ysb wrote:

Not true at all... it also depend of your repetier-host version..

I had the delay of the 3s connection with old version of repetier-host.. since the last 2 versions [85b, 90c] i think.. my connection time is near instant..

Umm, it is true. I hate to disagree with yourself in particular ysb, but what you state is not actually correct.
Whilst your version of RH can influence the overall connection of the program - the Pause delay on connection is determined by the Arduino Bootloader. Every time your Sanguinololu or equivalent board resets, either by pressing the button, or connecting via serial (as RH lowers DTR which causes a reset unless you change this in printer settings) - the Bootloader runs. This will cause a 3-5 seconds(depending on bootloader) pause before the Arduino sketch (Marlin in this instance) runs.

To avoid the Arduino resetting, you can either set RH to not lower DTR, or remove the Reset jumper on the board (if yours has one).

But with a stock setup, and a Bootloader installed, it WILL pause - RH wont connect when the Bootloader is running and the bootloader will continue to run for 3-5 seconds and THEN load Marlin ..... no ifs or buts about it. If it doesn't - then you have switched off DTR lowering, You have removed/replaced the Jumper, or your board does not have a Bootloader installed.

Non-Arduino compatible clones can often have a jumper for the bootloader trigger - bootloader still runs first but will see if a pin is low/high and immeadiately load the program based on that pins status. The new Printrboard is like this.

Any changes in connection between RH versions is either a result of changes to DTR, or purely perception.

If you still believe its not true - please elaborate on how your bootloader within your MCU knows to load or not when you reset the board - this is fundamental to how Bootloaders that allow sketch upload to work function. If you are getting *instant* connection to your Arduino, you *must* have disabled DTR lowering through software or hardware (and thus no reset and no bootloader ran), OR don't have a bootloader.

Hummmmm.. that's strange.... with my original board [sanguinololu].. this 3-5s delay was there...
Then i switch to ramps 1.4... i have a bootloader in my arduino 2560... it's sure [i load the firmware thru the usb like the original board]... but with the new RH, the connection was near instant...  perhaps the default mode of Ramp board is with this DTR jumper thing you speak about? ... your arduino -fu is a lot better that mine... so it's probably related to my ramps board but i'm near sure i changed my RH version after i changed my board...

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I built a new reprap printer on my solidoodle3 and got it up and running over the weekend. I thought I would be smart and copy the Solidoodle extruder design so I could share parts between the two printers, but I ran into a strange problem.

I am using the Lawsy mk5 extruder design with the E3D hot end (0.4mm nozzle) being driven by a Ramps 1.4 board. I am actually using a solidoodle extruder motor that I bought directly from them. The drivers used on the Ramps board are set for 1/16 micro-stepping.

I did the normal extruder feed calibration and the steps/min are actually very close to my stock solidoodle extruder (104 vs 102). I am printing white PLA right now.

My problem is that I am seeing a pretty distinct pulsing pattern in the output of the extruder that shows up as a moire pattern on the sides of the print. I have tried to adjust the pot on the extruder motor, but it doesn't seem to make any difference in the output quality. It seems that I just dont have enough resolution in the driver motor and I can see each individual step the motor makes in the output of the hot end.

Are most of you still using the stock solodoodle direct drive extruder design? I suppose one drawback of having less volume of molten plastic is there is less of a reservoir to absorb these pressure fluctuations. moving to a geared stepper would probably fix it, but I was surprised that there was such a big difference between the stock solidoodle hot end and the E3D hot end.

I ordered a pololu DRV8825 driver board to move to 1/32 micro-stepping and might eventually move to a geared bowden setup, but I wanted to see if anyone else encountered a similar issue.

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Reading through here and from personal experience, this seems to be a common problem.

The E3D hot end hides nothing, and is prone to showing the pattern you describe. This is because it's better however. I will update my stepper like others and report back.

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This is a before and after from installing my own 8825 driver.  It definitely helps-

http://solidoodletips.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/cubes.jpg