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Magic Matt wrote:

I've ordered a set of NTAG213 stickers. I'm going to systematically go through all the "colours", and see if it makes any difference. I'm sure somebody on the pages can make use of the data too.

With the system doing as it is now, the temp is effectively manually set from 190 to 210, which doesn't seem right anyway.

That is the actual range for most third party PLA.

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carl_m1968 wrote:

If it was stuck plastic then it would not matter what speed you run it, the problem would still be there. However he said when he slows down it goes a way. That being said his problem is what he suspects and not the same as the one you had.

The firmware update he got is ignoring the temp set in the carts and instead is using a default global temperature. I no longer have an XYZ machine but from what I have heard the newer host for those machines allows you to modify the temps. I also would bet that some where in the settings there is an allowance for it to simply use the carts temp but in his case that is not enabled. So the machine is using a default temp that is too low for the speed is running.

I have used many printers and I rarely see one whose reported hotend temp is correct. I have seen a variance of up to 20 degrees. In those case you simply have to use trial and error and keep increasing the temp by 5 until it can print all of a layer with no thumps.

I don't know for sure if it is stuck plastic or the inner PFTE tube scratched when I declog the hotend. It happened with my first jr stock hotend twice, the hotend is clogged and I cleaned it. I was still very newbie with 3D printer at that time. after I cleaned it, filament goes though, but does not came out as smooth as before. I have mild under extrusion problem and extruder clicks at first layer. Print at lower speed or low layer height improves. Printing at higher temperature (I increase temperature 15C higher than usual) also improves the extrusion. All problem is gone after I replace the throat. I can go back to normal temperature and have no issue print at 0.3mm layer height. After I switch to E3D clone, this problem did not show up again.

In my experience, printer have different heat block/thermostats or running different firmware report different temperature. the difference can be up to 20 degrees. All my printer that switched to E3D clones and use marlin firmware report same temperature with error of 0.1 degree.

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I can't open the official website and download the file. Please help me provide this model and upload it in the attachment of the following post. Thank you very much!

File Name: Wind Duct.3w
Wind Duct
File Source:
(You can download the 3D file from the website below and use your
da Vinci Jr. 1.0 Series 3D Printer for output)

http://us.gallery.xyzprinting.com/us_en … 2171056219



Magic Matt wrote:

I can't help but wonder if Simplify3D might just work better than XYZware anyway... however... it's expensive... and I don't see a 30 day trial or anything.

XYZ Support have still not responded to the ticket opened Wednesday. The supplier (eBuyer) refuse to issue a returns number until XYZ Support have said I need to return the printer. I have to decide if I want that fight, or whether I just continue to solve this myself, and if I can't, get a different printer from somewhere else (Creality CR10 from Gear Best maybe?)..

I'm not tied to using XYZ filament - I have a little NFC tag programmer and a load of NTAG213 stickers. They work, I've just not had the opportunity to use any yet because the printer broke! I tested the tags just by holding them next to the spool holder and the printer seems tricked into thinking there's a spool of my choosing there.


Progress!

The 6-pin stepper cable was never removed or touched, but I checked it anyway - no issue there. There's also a 4-pin connector of the same type going to a small board that I had unplugged and reinserted - again no issue there.

I checked the pinch rollers - they're perfectly aligned. The filament is sitting absolutely dead centre on both the channel in the drive roller, and the grooved part of the other roller. I can't see any way to adjust spring tension. It's quite high, because it takes a bit of effort to pull it far enough to insert filament, so it's not that easy to get the filament all the way down the bowden to the extruder for loading. This is no different from how it has always been.

The thing that made the biggest difference is changing the filament. I was using the 100m roll of white that came with the printer, and was down to the last 15m. I'm now using a new roll of "XYZ Junior series 600g clear yellow". I've got thump thump thump from the feeder when it first starts putting down the raft or first layers, but the raft looks fine. That stops after about 2 layers, and it seems to act normal with the setting tweaks below. It is now printing "ok" but I'm sure it was better originally, so there must still be things to resolve. I don't think the thumping is the offset, because it does it even with the nozzle 2mm above the bed. Could there be something in the main body of the extruder that isn't right?

So far the best results I've got are by slowing down everything. Print speed to "low", reducing the retraction speed to 20mm/s, reducing the retraction distance to 3mm, and bumping up the temperature by 5C (it monitors at 206C).

It seems to have a lot of trouble getting that first layer down, and I'm going back to trying different Z-Offset settings to see if that can be resolved. At the moment my nozzle is 0.25mm from the bed at the edges, and about 0.20mm in the middle - I don't know why the bed is raised in the middle - I'm thinking of flipping the glass over and see what happens.

I printed off the official "wind duct" that attaches to the extruder - it printed ok, even though I had the thump-thump at the start. I can't say that's making any difference at the moment, but I've left it attached for now.

I printed the samples - the little heart pendant and the twisted vase - both seem ok, and look the same as the ones we printed when we first got the printer. Neither are brilliant, but they're reasonable. Again, first two or three layers "thump-thump-thump" then normal. Again I needed to adjust the speeds and temp.

If I printed the E3D hot end mod, does that mean I could have a 0.3mm hot end, or would I need to buy the "XYZ 0.3mm extruder with nozzle" first? If I'm going to have to replace it, I'd rather have the higher resolution.

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