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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why get solidoodle 4?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>so SD2 and SD3 where same on board placement. but SD4 moved them inside?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2014 07:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why get solidoodle 4?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>AZERATE wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>That first pic looks familiar <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p></blockquote></div><p>Ha, I was wondering where that came from.&nbsp; I&#039;ve only owned one SD3 with that board on it and I sold it to a buddy. I never took any pictures of that one <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2014 05:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why get solidoodle 4?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>That first pic looks familiar <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2014 05:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why get solidoodle 4?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>And most of us did this <br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/8aqb82a.jpg" alt="http://i.imgur.com/8aqb82a.jpg" /></span></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2014 05:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why get solidoodle 4?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yes they did <br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/0Hhs7Gg.jpg" alt="http://i.imgur.com/0Hhs7Gg.jpg" /></span></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (wardjr)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2014 05:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why get solidoodle 4?]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/73698/#p73698</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>knowack wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I usually print at .1mm layer height when I&#039;m going for quality.&nbsp; The longest build time I ever ran was 38 hours; no problems.&nbsp; I occasionally have build times over 24 hours (I&#039;m presently making Christmas ornaments that takes 26 hours for each print).&nbsp; Some of the Bergmann armored vehicles take 9-12 hours each, depending on size and complexity. That German Tiger tank I posted photos of, was a 9 hour print job.</p><p>How long do you have to run to overheat the stock printrboard?&nbsp; 24+ hours seems like a long time to me; I&#039;m not sure I want to try for a marathon just to overheat the board.</p><p>I am thinking about putting my SD4 and PC on a UPS, so power fluctuations etc. this winter don&#039;t screw up my prints!</p></blockquote></div><p>I have an old UPS needing new batterys (and a buddy that sells them) and I have thought the same thing since I use a laptop to run it and it has a few hrs backup if power fails so why not the Printer. most my prints are under 2hrs a few just under 9hrs but an SD2 is only 6x6 bed not 8x8 plus I like the board outside of print chamber plus cooling fans but havnt needed the fans yet. my &#039;Y&#039; axis motor gets hotter on long or high speed detailed prints than the board but I have noticed movement pause b4 when using laptop for much as it takes away system requirements needed for printing complex items. </p><p>did SD3 hang MB box on back like some new printers?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2014 04:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why get solidoodle 4?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>But SD 4 has a cooling fan inside of MB enclosure to reduce<br />Temp. of MB. My friend bought a SD 4 three months ago,<br />I was working with him, we didn&#039;t update any thing,<br />Just Made some calibration, then by now it works<br />well, I think the initial SD 4 is not so good, because it was<br />SD3 w/new enclosure, but $999, the newest SD4 has<br />A lot of new changes, and the cost is low to $599,<br />So why not get one.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2014 03:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why get solidoodle 4?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>The heat issue is going to be different for everyone.&nbsp; As a rule of thumb electronics don&#039;t like to be hot.&nbsp; Having them in the enclosure is most certainly not increasing the longevity of your electronics.&nbsp; Will they work like that?&nbsp; Of course they will.&nbsp; The real question here is for how long?&nbsp; There is a reason most SD2 and SD3 owners added fans to there boards.&nbsp; It was to reduce the risk of missed steps due to temporary shutdown of the steppers because they got too hot.&nbsp; The older Sang boards in my opinion were more robust and tolerant than the newer printerboards and many found the extra cooling to be necessary.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2014 21:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why get solidoodle 4?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I usually print at .1mm layer height when I&#039;m going for quality.&nbsp; The longest build time I ever ran was 38 hours; no problems.&nbsp; I occasionally have build times over 24 hours (I&#039;m presently making Christmas ornaments that takes 26 hours for each print).&nbsp; Some of the Bergmann armored vehicles take 9-12 hours each, depending on size and complexity. That German Tiger tank I posted photos of, was a 9 hour print job.</p><p>How long do you have to run to overheat the stock printrboard?&nbsp; 24+ hours seems like a long time to me; I&#039;m not sure I want to try for a marathon just to overheat the board.</p><p>I am thinking about putting my SD4 and PC on a UPS, so power fluctuations etc. this winter don&#039;t screw up my prints!</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (knowack)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2014 21:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why get solidoodle 4?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you on Thingiverse--my printer has never made prints as bad as some of the ones I see on there. Regarding the enclosed motherboard, let me know how you like it when your 6 hour build is ruined by step skipping. It&#039;s too hot in there for the motherboard, even with multiple fans on it. 3d printers are tools, not show pieces anyway <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /> and I&#039;ve got a much more robust board than stock, with pretty big heatsinks. The ambient temp in there is just too high. Given a long enough build it all just gets too hot.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (jagowilson)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2014 19:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why get solidoodle 4?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>For me, the SD4 was an outstanding choice.&nbsp; I wanted something that I could get printing quickly (after initial calibration), yet could be upgraded later.&nbsp; I was concerned that building my first printer from scratch would be problematic when trying to troubleshoot/adjust/calibrate the output.&nbsp; At least when starting with a functional printer, you&#039;re beginning from a known point.</p><p>I&#039;ve done a few minor upgrades to my SD4: some bearings and mounts on the Y-axis, added fans to the X-axis motor and nozzle.&nbsp; Other than that, my SD4 is pretty much stock...and I feel that my print output is better than the vast majority of what I see on Thingiverse.&nbsp; If most of that stuff were mine, I&#039;d be too embarrassed to post photos of it!&nbsp; </p><p>I personally prefer to have the motherboard enclosed.&nbsp; It doesn&#039;t look like junk when people come over to see the SD4, and the wires and board are protected when I transport it.&nbsp; (I take it on the road with OctoPi)</p><p>Just my $.02.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (knowack)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2014 16:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why get solidoodle 4?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jagowilson wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If you&#039;re set on going Solidoodle, I&#039;d encourage getting a 3. It will make your life a lot easier when you inevitably do some upgrades, and it puts the motherboard on the back--a bigger deal than you might think. If you&#039;re looking outside SD, the scribbler is one, I&#039;ve also seen very nice prints on Flashforge printers. There&#039;s a lot out there though. Your needs and skills strongly determine what printer you should get.</p></blockquote></div><p>too bad SD discontinued SD2 and SD3 they where the back bones of current 3D printers.</p><p>I was asked to do a survey similar to this topic on 3D hubs last week for there trends page.</p><p>I couldnt really answer the question of what 3D printer I would buy or recommend for others ATM due to all the goofy things happening lately with many manufacturers and upgrades/mods needed versus the ones promised yet not delivered.</p><p>I do want something like what SD said their some day WB Apprentice was supposed to offer (but now it wont). I also like the Delta types for best use of space while not moving build platform (which I think the less print moves the better), I also like the new up and coming liquid style 3D printers for nano details at lower cost than the powder types (as my main interest is miniatures).</p><p>My SD2 with deluxe option (inclosure and bed heater) was in the lowest price range for 6x6x6 print area 2 years ago when I bought it.</p><p>but for now I am planning to mod my SD2 into a better version&nbsp; (albeit slightly smaller build area) of the SD Apprentice I have dubbed my &quot;Jr Apprentice&quot; with duel E3Dv6 Bowden hot ends for most print materials including easy rinse off support material. then if customer demand increases hopefully add 1-2 other type printers for those, like a Delta for big prints or a liquid/powder laser type for more tiny detailed prints plus to handle more orders even if a printer is down for a repair etc.</p><p>because unlike Solidoodle, I plan ahead so my customers dont get left out in the cold once they pay for my services.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2014 02:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Why get solidoodle 4?]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/73554/#p73554</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>If you&#039;re set on going Solidoodle, I&#039;d encourage getting a 3. It will make your life a lot easier when you inevitably do some upgrades, and it puts the motherboard on the back--a bigger deal than you might think. If you&#039;re looking outside SD, the scribbler is one, I&#039;ve also seen very nice prints on Flashforge printers. There&#039;s a lot out there though. Your needs and skills strongly determine what printer you should get.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (jagowilson)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2014 23:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>if you have one, why did you pick it over others?</p></blockquote></div><p>Assembled<br />Heated bed <br />full enclosure<br />price ( I found a used one) <br />nice size build platform <br />a friend had one suggested it. <br />Felt at the time a good place to start. </p><p>I will probably end up building one. Nothing out there I feel I can afford. </p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>3) Had to buy a multimeter and fix the VREFs on the motherboard because they weren&#039;t correct.</p></blockquote></div><p>IMHO if you are going to own a Sub $1500 3d printer a multimeter is a tool you need for the tool box. Sooner or later you will need it to troubleshoot something.&nbsp; </p><p>Right now you can get one of these for $ 512</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.plasticscribbler.com/store/image/cache/data/asterid-2100/asterid-2100-002-800x800.jpg" alt="http://www.plasticscribbler.com/store/image/cache/data/asterid-2100/asterid-2100-002-800x800.jpg" /></span></p><p><a href="http://www.plasticscribbler.com/store/Asterid-2100_3D_Printer">http://www.plasticscribbler.com/store/A … 3D_Printer</a><br />And for an additional&nbsp; $73 upgraded to one board controls.&nbsp; If you want to print ABS you will likely want to cover the sides and add a door. No fancy enclosure. <br />Tin</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2014 23:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Well, it comes assembled. And for assembled printer it&#039;s pretty cheap.<br />It also comes with a stock enclosure for even heat distribution.</p><p>Leaving the backlash issue aside, if I personally had to buy another 3d printer again, I definitely wouldn&#039;t get a SD4 for myself.<br />There are 3 reasons:</p><p>&quot;Actual cost&quot;. The things I had to buy later to replace or upgrade something in it to get it to work properly add a lot to the cost of the printer itself.<br />1) As an example, I had two stock SD4 power supplies die and had to get a replacement LED power supply.<br />2) I had to take out the gantry and epoxy (didn&#039;t have epoxy, had to buy) the rods in place because they weren&#039;t properly glued in place in the factory to begin with. I&#039;m not the only guy who has had this happen to him.<br />3) Had to buy a multimeter and fix the VREFs on the motherboard because they weren&#039;t correct.<br />4) The stock heat pad is smaller than the aluminum bed, so utlizing the whole (not even the whole, like 17cm) of the bed without objects lifting and warping seems impossible.<br />And a lot of other things.<br />Basically poor quality on some parts of the printer and poor assembly in the factory which might cost you some money and time to fix yourself.</p><p>Second reason, the knowledge you need to do all of the above upgrades you can just use to get and assemble a 3d printer kit like Prusa and make an enclosure for it yourself. Still will spend less extra money.</p><p>And third reason is time, doing all I mentioned above you can just use to assemble a 3d printer kit and you will probably still have spent less time. Or just spend that time collecting more cash so you can afford an Ultimaker.</p><p>Again this is just my personal experience and opinion, all I can say is if I had more money I&#039;d just get an Ultimaker which is a similar cartesian printer but with some quality, or get a Prusa i3 kit.</p><p>Some incorrect settings in the program&#039;s presets for SD4 and outdated wiki was also frustrating, though the helpful community has most of the answers.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2014 21:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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