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			<title><![CDATA[Re: glass bed questions]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/69235/#p69235</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I can&#039;t believe you folks don&#039;t clean your glass frequently. I don&#039;t like how filthy it gets. I also feel like I get better adhesion on a clean sheet with fresh hairspray, but that&#039;s just me. Dirty glass can also make your first layer look ugly/have bumps if it&#039;s really bad.</p><p>One alternative I haven&#039;t seen anyone mention is elmer&#039;s glue sticks--the purple ones. Sticks great, but your first layer will have to be sanded afterwards because I&#039;ve found the glue stops it from being perfectly smooth. I use this method if I&#039;m printing something large that will have a lot of free-standing edges, which are the number one cause of warping in my experience. They act like heat sink fins and cool the bottom layer really quick. When I&#039;m up and running I need to print a fan shroud to get some filament cooling going on. With that and my E3D on the way, I&#039;m going to have a crazy amount of fans on that 12V rail.</p><p>I&#039;ve had prints still not want to come off after an extended period. Freezer = instant removal. Just let the glass get to room temp first, and put down a few paper towels with the glass to keep away direct contact with the freezer floor. If you ever have to use that scraper that came with the printer, you&#039;re doing it wrong IMO.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2014 22:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: glass bed questions]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>thanks</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (jaques)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2014 22:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: glass bed questions]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m using an old cut up mirror at 95 temp.&nbsp; Once print is done, I swap out mirror&#039;s and let the print on the mirror cool down to room temp. Then the prints usually pop right off without any pressure.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2014 21:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: glass bed questions]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>For&nbsp; ABS it may benefit you to use borosilicate glass. Since the ABS needs the heat to prevent warping /lifting.&nbsp; As mentioned I have had good results with plain window glass but I am running PLA and a bed temp of around 60 c.&nbsp; &nbsp;<br />as far as bed temp use what is needed for the material being printed.&nbsp; <br />Tin</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2014 19:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: glass bed questions]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the information.<br />One question which I forgot to ask: should the bed temperature be different when using a glass bed?<br />It&#039;s 120 right now.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2014 18:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>So do I need to clean the glass and spray again for every print?</p></blockquote></div><p>I have hd my printer about 10 weeks have yet to clean the glass and have sprayed the glass about 4 times. <br />but I expect if you do lots of prits you may need to fresen up the surface more oftem.</p><p>Tin</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Tin Falcon)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2014 22:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jaques wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Thanks. By my initial tests the generic hairspray I got made the print stick very strongly to the glass bed.</p><p>So do I need to clean the glass and spray again for every print?</p></blockquote></div><p>Nah, the more goop that builds up, the better it works. I haven&#039;t cleaned my glass bed in months. For very large parts, I find the hairspray isn&#039;t enough to prevent the part from curling up. What always works for me is printing the first layer slowly with a wide brim, and while the brim is going down, paint some &quot;secret sauce&quot; on the corners and maybe a few other spots if it is really large (the slow printing lets you get a dauber or brush in and out without being hit by the print head :-).</p><p>The secret sauce formula is basically 50/50 acetone and MEK with a little ABS dissolved in it.</p><p>Of course, this sticks really really well. I usually have to let the bed cool off for a long time before I can get the part off. (And I don&#039;t clean off the residue left from the secret sauce either).</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2014 22:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: glass bed questions]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks. By my initial tests the generic hairspray I got made the print stick very strongly to the glass bed.</p><p>So do I need to clean the glass and spray again for every print?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (jaques)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2014 22:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: glass bed questions]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jaques wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>What were you answering by suggesting to do dusting?</p></blockquote></div><p>You don&#039;t need a hole lot of spray on the glass, just enough to give it a light coating.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2014 21:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: glass bed questions]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I think the magic ingredient in Aqua Net is vinyl (at least I believe I&#039;ve seen that mentioned somewhere on these boards). It shows up as the 4th ingredient on my can as VA/CROTONATES/VINYL NEODECANOATE COPOLYMER :-).</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2014 21:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: glass bed questions]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>What were you answering by suggesting to do dusting?<br />I tried the hairspray, and from first impresssion it just adds some rough texture to the clear glass. is that what&#039;s making the filament stick?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2014 20:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: glass bed questions]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yes on the hairspray, and just a light dusting should do the trick.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2014 13:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: glass bed questions]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks man.</p><p>I got a 1/8 thick glass cut to a 8x8 inch piece.</p><p>I&#039;m printing with ABS. Do I need to use a hairspray or some other binder if I&#039;m printing in ABS? Solidoodle sells glass plates on their site but they do nit mention anything.</p><p>We dont have Aquanet in the non USA.<br />Will other hairsprays work? That&#039;s why i was asking what chemical was doing the trick.<br />The hairspray I got contains<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Alcohol Denat.<br />Butane<br />Isobutane<br />Propane<br />PEG-12 Dimethicone<br />Parfum<br />Aqua<br />Linalool<br />Hydroxisohexyl 3-Cyclohexene Carboxaldehyde<br />Alpha Isomethyl Ionone<br />Cintronellol</p></blockquote></div><p>Also, how much hairspray do you spray on the glass?<br />And do you do it before every print?<br />Do you need to clean the glass before a new print?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2014 13:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: glass bed questions]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I have been using regular window glass from the hardware store.&nbsp; standard thickness&nbsp; 8 x 8 IIRC about 1/8 in. held on with medium<br />binder clips.&nbsp; (1 -1/4 in) box of 12 binder clips&nbsp; and a can of Auqua net Hair spray from wall mart .&nbsp; IIRC the whole lot cost me about $ 5 .</p><p>A piece of borosilicate glass would be more heat shock resistant McMaster Car 847K18&nbsp; 8 x 8&nbsp; x 1/4&nbsp; &nbsp;$24.62 </p><p>I use the hair spray for printing PLA. do not know what chemical but aqua net seems to be the brand of choice. <br />Tin</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Tin Falcon)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2014 12:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[glass bed questions]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>To people suggesting to use glass on top of the Solidoodle 4 aluminum bed,</p><p>1) How thick should the glass be? What is the risk of glass cracking from the temperature?</p><p>2) Does the filament stick to the glass bed as it sticks to the kapton on the aluminum plate right now?<br />Or do I need to cover the glass with something to make it stick?</p><p>3) If yes, what kind of chemical is doing the magic? So I&#039;ll check if the hairspray or whatever I&#039;m getting has it or not.</p><p>Thanks.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2014 07:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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