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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Ramps Mod w/ Custom heated PCB, Stuck!!!!!]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Hazer wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>True dat.</p><p>Even when they are rated for 25&nbsp; Amps, if you get a datasheet for that SSR it might have voltage-current curves showing that at a certain point (well before 25 amps) that drop off when reaching the limit. A higher rated SSR is probably what you need to keep out of that drop zone.</p></blockquote></div><p>Well, tested my current 25A SSR with a lower amp draw device (DC cordless recip saw motor) running full speed for about 5 minutes...the SSR never even got warm; and the voltage measured across the terminals was about 0.44 vs 4.6 when hooked to the PCB Heatbed; So, as you said, this is clearly a matter of overating on the SSR.&nbsp; Ordered a 60A version and will wait for that.&nbsp; In the meantime, I switched off PID in the firmware and am using an automotive relay rated at 30A.&nbsp; Clicks on and off every 30 seconds or so, but it works for now.</p><p>Thanks to all for your guidance!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2014 10:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Ramps Mod w/ Custom heated PCB, Stuck!!!!!]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Hazer wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Try heatsinking it. You are supposed to heatsink these relays if your using more than 25% its rated current. It may be overheating and causing it to limit the current.</p></blockquote></div><p>I do have it on a heatsink; it gets so hot in about 40 seconds that I can barely touch it.&nbsp; It reads 4.5v over the output connectors on the SSR whenever it cycles on (and connected to heatbed).&nbsp; I read about 7.5v across the heatbed terminals BTW...</p><p>I am told it should read closer to 0.0 across the SSR output terminals while cycled on...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2014 10:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Ramps Mod w/ Custom heated PCB, Stuck!!!!!]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Try heatsinking it. You are supposed to heatsink these relays if your using more than 25% its rated current. It may be overheating and causing it to limit the current.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Hazer)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2014 23:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Ramps Mod w/ Custom heated PCB, Stuck!!!!!]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I am running Marlin as is I didn&#039;t play with PID settings left it set to factory . As for arcing and seizing if the relay is rated for the same&nbsp; amps&nbsp; that you are drawing&nbsp; then cycle life of a good relay is a million or so ,if you go with a larger rating that # is even higher . Automotive relays cycle many times in their life spans and rarely fail . As for seizing that is one reason I prefer them I can hear it cycling once or twice a minute ( it&#039;s not load enough or often enough to bother me ) .As long as I hear it I know it is working without having to look at it. I find the occasional click to be a reassuring sound . I like it, my temps are very stable. And maybe that makes me a little weird , but nobody ever accused me of being normal.&nbsp; &nbsp;Sorry I tried to take screen shot of temp graph but this all it showed after it uploaded .</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (slimstar2)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2014 16:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Ramps Mod w/ Custom heated PCB, Stuck!!!!!]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>slimstar2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Wiring looks OK . I know from experience those SSR s can only handle 1/2 of their rated current max&nbsp; Just get one rated for 60 amps or use an automotive relay . The clicking is only 2 or times a minute and I like to hear it because I know the bed is not overheating&nbsp; just by listening</p></blockquote></div><p>Will definitely order a larger one...regarding mechanical relay, doesn&#039;t that require switching off PID in firmware? And what about arcing and seizing closed?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (IronMan)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2014 15:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Ramps Mod w/ Custom heated PCB, Stuck!!!!!]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Wiring looks OK . I know from experience those SSR s can only handle 1/2 of their rated current max&nbsp; Just get one rated for 60 amps or use an automotive relay . The clicking is only 2 or times a minute and I like to hear it because I know the bed is not overheating&nbsp; just by listening</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (slimstar2)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2014 15:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Ramps Mod w/ Custom heated PCB, Stuck!!!!!]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks all for the input...I will consider a larger rated one...</p><p>But also, I truly wonder if I&#039;m just wiring something wrong:<br /><span class="postimg"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/rPIT0Z2.jpg" alt="http://i.imgur.com/rPIT0Z2.jpg" /></span></p><p>Any thoughts?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (IronMan)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2014 14:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Ramps Mod w/ Custom heated PCB, Stuck!!!!!]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I would recommend An SSR 60&nbsp; 60 amps LISTED capacity . That will handle 30 amps well , make sure it is bolted to a good size heat sink&nbsp; &nbsp;example&nbsp; back of SD case.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (slimstar2)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2014 13:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Ramps Mod w/ Custom heated PCB, Stuck!!!!!]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>it&#039;s a FOTEK SSR-25 DD...input 3-32VDC; Output - 5-60VDC...</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (IronMan)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2014 10:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Ramps Mod w/ Custom heated PCB, Stuck!!!!!]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>True dat.</p><p>Even when they are rated for 25&nbsp; Amps, if you get a datasheet for that SSR it might have voltage-current curves showing that at a certain point (well before 25 amps) that drop off when reaching the limit. A higher rated SSR is probably what you need to keep out of that drop zone.</p><p>Whats the model number of your SSR?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Hazer)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2014 10:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Ramps Mod w/ Custom heated PCB, Stuck!!!!!]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s been my experience that SSR s bought on Ebay tend to to be over rated by about 50 % so if you want to pull 25 amps get 1 that is rated for 50 or 60 amps the ssr s on ebay usually don&#039;t have UL or CE ratings so they tend to over rate them.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2014 22:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Ramps Mod w/ Custom heated PCB, Stuck!!!!!]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Greetings All!...could use your help here!</p><p>I am going the SSR route with my PCB heater which draws about 20A at startup...I fried the first SSR even with a heat sink in about 10 minutes from startup; and when I tested the replacement I ordered (same unit - rated at 25Amps DC), it started to behave the same way.&nbsp; </p><p>I tested the voltage across the output leads of the SSR whilst powered on, and it read about 4.6...shouldn&#039;t that read closer to zero?&nbsp; 4.6 would indicate that there is some internal resistance in the SSR and that&#039;s what is causing it to overheat.</p><p>I have the signal wires from the RAMPS connected to the Input side (correct polarity) and I have the Output side wired in series into the power loop from a 30A stand-alone power supply (those would be the + and - terminals on the PS).</p><p>I never switched off PID in the firmware...the LED on the SSR vibrates on and off so quickly it is flickering.</p><p>Any leads (pun intended) on what I am doing wrong?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (IronMan)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2014 19:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Ramps Mod w/ Custom heated PCB, Stuck!!!!!]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks all for the input. A 12V/40A relay and 12 Ga. wire between the PSU and the Bed worked great. I am printing a calibration print as I type. NThe wires, the PSU, the relay, nothing gets warmer than luke warm holding steady at 105C. I am very happy. This heats up 10X faster than the standard bed provided with the unit.</p><p>I have one last question, I did measure the resistance of my custom PCB and its about 0.2 Ohm. I noticed the following lines in Configuration.h</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>// If your bed has low resistance e.g. .6 ohm and throws the fuse you can duty cycle it to reduce the
// average current. The value should be an integer and the heat bed will be turned on for 1 interval of
// HEATER_BED_DUTY_CYCLE_DIVIDER intervals.
//#define HEATER_BED_DUTY_CYCLE_DIVIDER 4</code></pre></div><p>Have any of you used this for a similar issue?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (rcullan)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2014 00:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Looks like you&#039;ve got it... The clicking will drive you bonkers <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /> I know from experience I ran mine with one while I waited for my SSR.&nbsp; It&#039;s like fans, you don&#039;t realize how loud they are until you no longer have to listen to them <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (wardjr)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2014 19:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the input guys. I am not a novice at all in the realm of electronics (Engineer by day, hobbyist by night), and I appreciate everyone&#039;s concern. I tested this principle out very carefully this morning. I am not one to wire it up and just start printing. I want to be sure its a good setup before I walk away from the machine. </p><p>First off, I am probably not going to start with a SSR, I will only go there if the clicking of a mechanical relay drives me totally bonkers. We will see on that front. </p><p>I did have a 12V @ 20A relay sitting around, so I wired it up this morning and tested it out. It works great! The bed heats up to 105C in about 3 minutes, where my standard SD2 took about 30 min to get to 95C. What I didnt like was the wire gage, with the increased current I need to beef up my wire gage so thats #1. The relay also got somewhat warm, but not to the level I couldnt touch it. The one I had lying around was from an Arduino relay unit and has no feature to mount a heat sync of any kind, so its kind of hanging loose (dont worry I insulated it with Kapton). I&#039;m headed out now to get a 12V mechanical car relay, rated for 40AMPS and with a heat sync that I will be mounting to the back of the machine itself. With a heavier gage wire I hope this is a good solution.</p><p>I&#039;ll post a follow up. But if any one sees something errant in my approach. Please let me know!</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (rcullan)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2014 15:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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