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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Bowden, Bed and New Hotend Benefits, real world?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I installed a custom bowden setup on my SD and never looked back.&nbsp; I&#039;ve have been more than happy with the results and only really had to dial in the retraction settings.&nbsp; I have been able ramp up speeds to with no real negative effects.&nbsp; You can see how the calibration pyramid printed in some photos that I posted previously.....&nbsp; I am still using the stock hotend also although I have a new design in the works along with a extrusion cooling setup that I will be trying this weekend....</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 21:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Bowden, Bed and New Hotend Benefits, real world?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>They are in the code in the configuration.h file but the easiest way to see what you have and change them is open the Firmware EEprom configuration in Repetier from the Config tab, they are one of the parameters that can be changed without recompiling the code, or at least it&#039;s possible with the Printerboard on the SD3, don&#039;t know if the capability exists on the older SD2s as I&#039;ve never owned one.</p><p>I&#039;ve actually run mine with the max acceleration set to the Marlin default of 9000! If you want to see a hotend move absurdly fast even at 60mm/second speeds, bump the SD default setting from 1000 to 9000, but be prepared to catch flying parts unless you&#039;ve done some upgrades <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 19:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Bowden, Bed and New Hotend Benefits, real world?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>What are your accelerations and where are they in the marlin?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 19:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Bowden, Bed and New Hotend Benefits, real world?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t consider the J-Head a huge improvement, at least not the Chinese clone ones which is what it turns out I have. I&#039;m setting them up on a dual extruder carriage for the SD3 which is proving to be a much bigger project than I originally thought it would be...</p><p>Unless you&#039;re prepared to do a full upgrade to bearings on ALL shafts, and that includes the X and Y axis idlers along with GT2 belts and pulleys, I don&#039;t know how much quicker/faster you&#039;ll be able to run and still have the same or better print quality. Solid print quality and repeatability is based on the premise that the head is going to extrude filament at a consistent flow rate and temperature and the carriage assemblies are going to be able to position that head with extreme precision every time, time after time. The only way I know of to make that happen is to eliminate the slop on all axis and the quickest route to accomplish that is to make anything that turns or slides do so in good quality bearings on straight precision ground shafts and that all assemblies are squared up and properly aligned to their respective axis.</p><p>I&#039;ve spent a considerable amount of time doing exactly that on my SD3 and the end result is that it can print with some incredibly crazy acceleration numbers and still have good print quality. Most people think it&#039;s the MM/second number that makes a printer fast and it does to a point, but a better measurement of print quality and printer speed is just how quickly you can accelerate/decelerate the head to/from those velocities while maintaining precise head positioning and that takes a lot more than nylon sliders, bronze bushings, and mill cut rods.</p><p>After doing all that, a good hotend is just the icing on the cake and by itself isn&#039;t going to make a huge difference in print quality at higher speeds if it&#039;s flopping all around on the X and Y axis.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 19:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Bowden, Bed and New Hotend Benefits, real world?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, So I am hearing you that a new j-head (any brand?) is better along with upgraded x-y build solid and much better all around</p><p>what about speeds? can you run faster more reliable or better resolution</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 18:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Bowden, Bed and New Hotend Benefits, real world?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>With a good hotend and a few tweaks here and there I see no need for making any change to the existing extruder, at least as it pertains to the SD3. I swapped to an E3D and did proper calibration of the filament feed as well as adjusting the pot on the Printrboard for the smoothest possible flow. After changing the pulleys and belts to GT2 16 tooth I have to say I have zero issues with the way the prints look. The consistency of not only print quality but dimensions of the printed objects is, IMO, vastly improved with proper adjustment and a high quality hotend like the E3D.</p><p>IMO a Bowden is NOT an improvement, they tend to ooze a lot without using carefully calibrated retraction to get the best results, a PITA matter of trial and error really. I built a small Delta that requires use of a Bowden setup due to the nature of the Delta design, even with an E3D hotend on it I still can&#039;t get the same high level of print quality from the Delta that I can on my SD3 although the geared drive on the Bowden does completely eliminate any visible moire in the print so I see it as a tradeoff of overall print quality vs. how it looks. I&#039;m sure some of it is the SD linear motion design vs. the delta design but the Bowden system doesn&#039;t seem to be the better extruder for print quality, only better in terms of not having to move the weight of a stepper motor around with the printhead.</p><p>That said, my current project involves an SD3, a pair of J-head hotends, and a pair or Bowden extruders. Mainly an experiment to see if it&#039;s practical on the SD box and how well it works,...&nbsp; or not...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Bowden, Bed and New Hotend Benefits, real world?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>As I upgrade my SD2 after failures I have been upgrading with 110% improved results.</p><p>So as I am doing bearing upgrades now I took apart my hotend.<br />I upgraded to a QUBD cartridge.</p><p>I can see the benefit of doing the XY carriages and the jigsaw just for future repairs and access but what about the Hotend? the stock one seems simple enough and works fine from what I see</p><p>any benefit to having others ones (other then for clogs) any performance improvements? Otherwise what is the simplest bust plug and play upgrade for the SD2 version that I can swap in as a backup?</p><p>Same goes for the extruder. i saw the Bulldog, but that seems like overkill and heavy, any benefits to that other then it will do bowden as well?</p><p>Bowden. Is it worth doing bowden if extrude fails for general printing is it really that much faster or better quality. it seems like expensive upgrade maybe comes with more upgrades needed to be complete?</p><p>I have the stock bed with glass. I can see the pad heater as good upgrade especially for doing full format prints. I noticed on large prints out to 5&quot; wide that the bottom layers start to curl up during long runs. Need more heat even across the bed</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 14:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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