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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Z dimension issues]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#039;t measure the z movement but will do it tomorrow.<br />I&#039;ll check the voltage too (I&#039;ll do a search in the wiki for that).<br />Thanks, Rodolphe</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2014 04:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Z dimension issues]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>rpineau wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I put a piece of red painter tape on the axis (at the bottom near the motor) and ran this command :<br /></p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>G1 Z25.4 F40</code></pre></div><p>and I counted the turn ... 14 and ~ 1/5 turns !!!! not 18 as you said.<br />So there is definitely something wrong here.<br />Rodolphe</p></blockquote></div><p>Did you by chance measure the z movement in this case?&nbsp; If you have a 5/16-18 zrod then 14 turns wouldn&#039;t get you 1 inch of movement.</p><p>In regards to voltage, there is a separate trimmer pot on the board for each of the motors that adjusts the voltage for that line.&nbsp; The wiki has instructions and reference voltages you should see for each motor.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 16 Feb 2014 04:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Z dimension issues]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I put a piece of red painter tape on the axis (at the bottom near the motor) and ran this command :<br /></p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>G1 Z25.4 F40</code></pre></div><p>and I counted the turn ... 14 and ~ 1/5 turns !!!! not 18 as you said.<br />So there is definitely something wrong here.<br />Rodolphe</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2014 23:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Z dimension issues]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I did a lot of tests on the x,y and z axis and they moves the right amount in all direction (tested with a digital caliper).<br />My problem might be related to my other post (post 49083, I still can&#039;t put links in my post).<br />I&#039;ll redo some test on the z-axis as you&#039;re suggesting and see if I get the 18 rotations.<br />The power supply is a 12v @ 10A model (120W), so I assume the steppers are getting enough power.<br />For the g-code, the speed is controlled by the feed rate if I understand well ?<br />So something like G1 Z25.4 F40 should move by 25.4mm and be very slow.</p><p>Thanks for your help on this.<br />Regards, Rodolphe</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 09 Feb 2014 01:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Z dimension issues]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>rpineau wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I did another test with a 2mm profile, Slic3r did 100 slices as expected... en result is ~ 1.6cm high</p><p>Rodolphe</p></blockquote></div><p>I think the extruder and slicing software are wild goose chases.&nbsp; Neither would give you anything like what you&#039;re seeing.&nbsp; Instead, just try controlling the bed manually with RH or Pronterface or even raw gcode commands.&nbsp; Watch what the z-rod does and see whether it&#039;s correct and repeatable.&nbsp; For instance:</p><p>1) tell it to move, say, 50mm and measure exactly how far it goes. If it&#039;s wrong, the problem is in your hardware or firmware settings.</p><p>2) Go back and forth to see if it&#039;s repeatable.&nbsp; </p><p>3) Put a piece of tape on the z-rod so you can see it&#039;s rotational position.&nbsp; The stepper motor moves digitally so it should go back to the exact same rotational position if you move it a distance then move it back. If not, the driver voltage may be off adjustment and the motor is skipping steps.&nbsp; </p><p>4) If the angle is correct but the bed movement is incorrect, then something may be slipping somewhere around the z-axis nut, though I&#039;m not sure how this could be.</p><p>5) You can also use a gcode command turn down the maximum rotation speed.&nbsp; This might help the problem or at least help you see it happen.&nbsp; For instance, if you tell the bed to move up or down 25.4mm, count exactly how many rotations the rod goes around.&nbsp; It should of course rotate *exactly* 18 times.&nbsp; If not, the step value is off (but you said it was 2268, which is correct), or again the motor is not getting enough voltage and is skipping steps.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 09 Feb 2014 01:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Z dimension issues]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I did another test with a 2mm profile, Slic3r did 100 slices as expected... en result is ~ 1.6cm high</p><p>Rodolphe</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 08 Feb 2014 21:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Z dimension issues]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>So I did a test in a Windows VM with the lastest repetier and ended up with a cube of 2x2x1.75 .. so closer but still not 2x2x2.<br />I use the 3mm profile for the Solidoodle 6x6 and didn&#039;t touch any parameter beside the brim (5mm brim ).<br />So I have no more idea at this point ..</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 08 Feb 2014 19:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Z dimension issues]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I managed to get the eeprom setting with the latest windows version of Repetier (see attache screenshot) in virtualbox.<br />I can see my changes for the extruder steps/mm (104).<br />I think next I&#039;ll try printing from windows and see what happens.</p><p>Rodolphe</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2014 03:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Z dimension issues]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>nope .. so it&#039;s supposedly now extruding at the right speed (final value was 104 for the M92 E command) and the filament is set to 1.75mm with an extrusion multiplier of 1 ... still only 1.5cm high !!<br />I attached the gcode produced by slic3r in case someone sees something wrong in there.<br />The wall thickness of my hollow cuve are very close to 0.42mm so at least there was some progress here. I assume that when I can get the proper height of 2cm they&#039;ll be at 0.42mm.<br />At this point I don&#039;t know what else to try.</p><p>Thanks, Rodolphe<br />PS : I&#039;ve attached all the config file I&#039;m using at this point.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2014 02:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Z dimension issues]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I did another test :<br />- put marks every 10cm on the filament (used the blue one that came with the printer)<br />- in the manual control set extrude to 100 mm, click extrude</p><p>it extruded 13.3 cm instead of 10 so I guess I need to adjust the extrude step per mm with the M92 command. My current value is 138, so 138/13.6*10 = 101.4576so I&#039;ll try with 101.46 and will redo the extrusion test and a print.</p><p>Regards, Rodolphe</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2014 01:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Z dimension issues]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>This is the header of the generated g-code file for the 2x2x2 cm cube :<br /></p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>; layer_height = 0.300
; perimeters = 1
; top_solid_layers = 0
; bottom_solid_layers = 3
; fill_density = 0
; perimeter_speed = 60
; infill_speed = 60
; travel_speed = 75
; nozzle_diameter = 0.4
; filament_diameter = 1.75
; extrusion_multiplier = 1
; perimeters extrusion width = 0.42mm
; infill extrusion width = 0.42mm
; solid infill extrusion width = 0.42mm
; top infill extrusion width = 0.42mm
; first layer extrusion width = 0.42mm</code></pre></div><p>Thanks,<br />Rodolphe</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2014 00:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Z dimension issues]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>It is set to 1.75 and the extrusion multiplier is set to 1<br />As an additional datapoint, I took my digital caliper and measured by how much the bed moves if I click 4 time on the &quot;10&quot; in the manual control... and it did move by 40mm (+/- a few mm as I&#039;m holding it by hand).</p><p>Thanks, Rodolphe</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2014 00:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Z dimension issues]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Filanent diameter should be 1.75 n0t 3mm</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2014 00:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Z dimension issues]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>So i confirm that it slices 67 layer for the 3mm profile.<br />But the end result is 1.5cm tall.<br />Also I followed the wiki tutorial that talk about the flow rate and my wall are so not .42mm thick... more like 1.15mm in average.<br />The side of the cube are also not smooth and clearly show that the layer are not exactly on top of each other and someway squished (see attached photos).<br />To make sure the parameters were somewhat correct in Slic3r, I installed Repetier-Host in a windows XP VM in Virtualbox because the version of Repetier-Host Mac from solidoodle doesn&#039;t have any of the profile the Windows version has.<br />I copied all the values from there for the 3mm profile, including the filament params for the solidoole 6x6 and also the printer params ... still not helping as you can see.<br />So there is definitelly an issue on the z-axis where it&#039;s not moving as it should.<br />Repetier-Host Mac says it moves and endup at z = 20.15 but the print is only 15.xx <br />So looks like the z-axis number of step by mm is off even though the EEPROM value match what we are expecting (2268 step per mm).<br />So should I start changing this value (I can ask it to move 10cm in Repetier-Host Mac&nbsp; and see by how much it actually moved and then adjust this value) or is there something else that could be the cause of this.<br />This is a brand new Solidoodle 2 !!! so one would expect this values to be correct and only have to level the bed and be ready to print.</p><p>Thanks for all your help.<br />Rodolphe</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Z dimension issues]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>When I sliced it with the 3mm profile it slices 67 layers.<br />I&#039;ll retry with the 1mm profile to make sure it makes 200 layers (it&#039;s 7:40am so I don&#039;t have time to try now).</p><p>Thanks again for your help<br />Rodolphe</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2014 15:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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