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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Can't heat bed and nozzle simultaneously...]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/60492/#p60492</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yes, sorry I couldn&#039;t find a &quot;mark as resolved&quot; button anywhere...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2014 04:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Can't heat bed and nozzle simultaneously...]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/60482/#p60482</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>So the conclusion to solve this issue is to change to a new power supply? If yes then this thread is solved and should be saved as solved.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (oklok)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2014 02:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Can't heat bed and nozzle simultaneously...]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/59857/#p59857</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>print3dco wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The same thing is happening to my Solidoodle 4, I cant heat the nozzle and bed at the same time because repetier crashes. Also, when I try to manually control the printer, the Z axis moves in the oppsoute direction. When I hit Z+ it goes down and Z- goes up, thats weird, right?</p></blockquote></div><p>If I was in your position again, I&#039;d consider returning the PSU just so I had a working stock one, but I&#039;d save the wait and order a new one myself on the side. Get a little 12V 300W PSU off of Amazon for &lt;$50, some 2.5mm jacks (check the page for exact barrel dimensions - I forget) &lt;$5, a surface-mount fuse panel (~$5) for the 12v outputs, and a fused plug with built-in switch (the kind of plug that a computer power cord plugs into) for the input ~$6. Wire it all up, design and print some mounts for it to mount nicely on the back of the printer. Then you&#039;re golden, especially if you want to do any future upgrades (more fans, LEDs, RaspberryPi host, etc).</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (browner87)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2014 23:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Can't heat bed and nozzle simultaneously...]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/59844/#p59844</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>print3dco wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The same thing is happening to my Solidoodle 4, I cant heat the nozzle and bed at the same time because repetier crashes. Also, when I try to manually control the printer, the Z axis moves in the oppsoute direction. When I hit Z+ it goes down and Z- goes up, thats weird, right?</p></blockquote></div><p>Actually the Z axis thing is typical because it is based off of where the extruder is, not the platform.&nbsp; Imagine the platform as being a fixed location and the extruder moving up and down and it makes sense.&nbsp; Unfortunately, not sure why nozzle and bed aren&#039;t heating up together.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (michael.t.albers)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2014 16:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Can't heat bed and nozzle simultaneously...]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/59805/#p59805</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>The same thing is happening to my Solidoodle 4, I cant heat the nozzle and bed at the same time because repetier crashes. Also, when I try to manually control the printer, the Z axis moves in the oppsoute direction. When I hit Z+ it goes down and Z- goes up, thats weird, right?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (print3dco)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2014 15:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Can't heat bed and nozzle simultaneously...]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/55478/#p55478</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>The microcontroller on a printrboard runs at 5V off a switching regulator (LM2841), which is supplied by the 12V input. There&#039;s a jumper that links the usb 5V to this 5V rail (marked USBPWR) to allow the board to run off the USB - not sure whether solidoodle boards do this by default or not. There are a bunch of 0.1uF caps on the power input to the microcontroller, which exceeds atmel&#039;s request for just one. Should be fine for normal levels of power noise, especially after the 5V regulator.</p><p>Careful with those ATX box power ratings - they&#039;re a sum of all the rails (3.3, 5, 12, -12V usually). The 450W supplies I tend to find lying around usually do only about 18A (216W) on a single 12V rail - which is still an improvement over the 12.5A rating of the SD3/4 supply. Also, make sure you load up the 5V rail to about 5W (I use a 4.7ohm 10W wirewound resistor) to improve regulation (reduce droop) from the 12V rail - these things are cross-regulated. If you don&#039;t do it, it will have much worse droop than the stock supply! Also, although ATX supplies are supposed to have a maximum noise level, it&#039;s pretty generous and it&#039;s expected that quite a lot of power filtering happens on the motherboard (that&#039;s what most of those capacitors are for). I&#039;m getting close to using one myself, as I can power my raspberry pi print server off the free 5V!</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (grob)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2014 01:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Can't heat bed and nozzle simultaneously...]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/55469/#p55469</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately it&#039;s probably a combination. I haven&#039;t invested in a commercial oscilloscope yet, but this is my suspicion. In fact, in many cities, you can go to your wall outlet at midnight with a voltmeter and read around 120V (in North America), while at about 6-7pm the same outlet could be as low as 105V. Everyone is town is cooking dinner. More current draw = lower voltage. This is basically the same problem, in both the wall and the PSU. A wall outlet in a small apartment, in the wiring configuration of an apartment, are very prone to having slight voltage drops when a sudden current inrush is caused. There are many appliances I use in my apartment that cause the lights to slightly dim momentarily. In the same way, the power supply unit (PSU) is trying to convert one voltage to another. As the input changes, the circuitry must adapt to keep the output constant. A sudden draw of power to run 2 heaters + 4 stepper motors intermittently can easily cause a cheap PSU to drop in voltage a tiny bit. The UPS helps with this by at least providing steady power in the form of a battery.</p><p>Now, I haven&#039;t read the datasheet for the main microcontroller, but as I don&#039;t see any LM780x chips on the board, I will assume it runs at 12v. Which means its &quot;brown-out&quot; condition is probably around 11.3v. For a cheap power supply to try and meet the current rushes of the heaters with an unreliable power source itself, a 0.7v drop is borderline expected. IMHO, the person who designed the PCB should have put a 10uF electro. and 1uF ceramic cap on the chip&#039;s input so the chip would be immune to such inadequacies. In reality, if I ever have trouble again, I will just swap right over to a computer PSU. 400W minimum and far better current-draw response.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (browner87)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2014 23:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Can't heat bed and nozzle simultaneously...]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/55383/#p55383</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I had the same problem and a new power supply fixed it as well. don&#039;t need the UPS on mine though, just works <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (graham wiebe)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2014 13:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Can't heat bed and nozzle simultaneously...]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/55365/#p55365</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>browner87 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>For anyone reading in future - the constant machine &quot;crashing&quot; was due to a bad power supply. Also, the new power supply sent to me ONLY works when hooked to a UPS - apparently my wall outlet power isn&#039;t good enough.</p></blockquote></div><p>That sounds shady. Much more likely the replacement power supply has electrical issues than the wall outlet.&nbsp; Especially if you try another section of your house. </p><p>Some of these cheap power supplies cause crazy noise fed back into the outlets. I don&#039;t really understand how it works. </p><p>UPS would somehow be isolating the problems.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Tomek)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2014 03:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Can't heat bed and nozzle simultaneously...]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/55364/#p55364</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>browner87 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>For anyone reading in future - the constant machine &quot;crashing&quot; was due to a bad power supply. Also, the new power supply sent to me ONLY works when hooked to a UPS - apparently my wall outlet power isn&#039;t good enough.</p></blockquote></div><p>That sounds shady. Much more likely the replacement power supply has electrical issues than the wall outlet.&nbsp; Especially if you try another section of your house. </p><p>Some of these cheap power supplies cause crazy noise fed back into the outlets. I don&#039;t really understand how it works.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Tomek)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2014 03:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Can't heat bed and nozzle simultaneously...]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/55305/#p55305</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>For anyone reading in future - the constant machine &quot;crashing&quot; was due to a bad power supply. Also, the new power supply sent to me ONLY works when hooked to a UPS - apparently my wall outlet power isn&#039;t good enough.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (browner87)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2014 15:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Can't heat bed and nozzle simultaneously...]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/47743/#p47743</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>you can also get ahold of them on skype or IRC ---&gt; <a href="http://www.solidoodle.com/contact/">http://www.solidoodle.com/contact/</a></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (ronsii)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2014 05:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/47726/#p47726</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I have yet to find a phone number for them, but I did find an email and I&#039;ve just started that process. If it solves anything, I&#039;ll post back here <img src="https://www.soliforum.com/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (browner87)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2014 02:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Can't heat bed and nozzle simultaneously...]]></title>
			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/47725/#p47725</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>have you tried calling Solidoodle yet?&nbsp; sounds like its time if you havent already.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (MolecularConcept)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2014 02:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://www.soliforum.com/post/47714/#p47714</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately my problem is still 100% repeatable. I pulled out my old XPS laptop with Windows XP 32-bit and made a fresh install with repetier host. No problems whatsoever - levelled the bed with a new piece of glass, home&#039;d the axis, etc. Heating the nozzle? Fine. Tell it to heat the bed now too? &quot;1 command waiting&quot;. Device locks up, repetier host locks up, hard reset for everything. In fact any attempt to heat the bed, in any order of operations freezes it now it seems. Faulty bed heater? Faulty sensor?</p><p>I swear this board is faulty. There is no way a communications problem this repeatable across multiple PCs has to do with anything else...</p><p>EDIT: Also note that the bed does continue heating after locking up.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jan 2014 23:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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